Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #44182
From: <jeff@eurocars4less.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Lancair Legacy Avionics Master Switch Wiring Question
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:31:53 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
 Hey Paul,
 
I Appreciate your 2 cents, there is a lot to consider. When I purchased the aircraft it was a MARGINAL VRF panel, I have a IO 550 with dual Mags. The EFIS is OP TECH with a AHRS but it wired to it's own switch. The Avionics Master was just to power the radio stack and the encoder for ease of operation vs: turning on and off the individual 5 switches. I have an all electric panel with electric backup 2 1/4 ADI, ALT, VSI and Airspeed. I'll fly some light to marginal IFR. I never need to get anywhere that bad, but it nice to have the equipment for when you do run into the unexpected. I really appreciate every ones feed back, I'm new to this sight and it's been a Great Help. Paul, I was thinking about just adding another battery for a backup, but I think I may go with the second 20 amp alt. and a single Battery. Thoughts ???
 
Thanks again
Jeff
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Jeff Rienzi
Premier Motorsports, Inc.
1001 Goodworth Dr., Ste.101
Apex, NC 27539
919-418-9000
jeff@eurocars4less.com
www.eurocars4less.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:06 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Lancair Legacy Avionics Master Switch Wiring Question

Jeff,

 

To your first question on batteries/alternators I have several questions.

  1. Are you using magnetos or electronic ignition? If you have dual electronic ignition I consider dual batteries/alternators essential. If you have a single electronic/single mag system then you need to seriously consider what happens if you lose the source to the electronic system?
  2. Are you’re instruments all electric or do you have vacuum power backup? If all electric then I would again strongly consider dual batteries/alternators

 

Considering the avionics master I have to ask why you want one. The avionics today are very tough. I don’t consider them necessary. On the other hand, if you have dual power busses, and radios split between them for redundancy, then you need either no avionics master switches or two of them (one for each buss). A single switch is a single point failure.

 

Does your glass panel have an AHRS? If so you may wish to power it from both busses (thru diode isolators). Many of these cannot restart in flight and inadvertent hitting of an avionics master could render your primary flight display useless for the remainder of the flight.

 

These and many others have run through my head and been discussed here many times. I spent many years designing missile test range tracking and safety systems.  It’s not an easy question. First you need to understand how you intend to use your aircraft, and what could happen during failures. Try to write it out if you can to help clarify your expectations. The worst time to figure out how the system should work is in hard IFR when the lights starting to dim.

 

My two cents

 

Paul Bricker

N63PB

 


From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of jeff@eurocars4less.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:55 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Lancair Legacy Avionics Master Switch Wiring Question

 

Good Evening to All,

 

 First time user on LML. Marv's been very helpful in getting me started. Thanks Marv!! 

Working on re-building a Legacy Panel. Wanted to get some thoughts on Battery /alt. systems for the Legacy. read thru aero connections, (lots of options)  but wanted to get some real world feedback from builders and owners on the different set-ups. Dual battery w/ single 60 amp alt. vs: dual alt. ( 60 & 20 amp) with single battery, or dual / dual. I have  a single alt / single battery setup now, wanted to see if it was worth changing things around now while everything is apart. Going from a marginal VFR panel to an IFR OP TECH . glass panel with a Garmin Stack.  Any Thoughts ??? Thanks

 

My second question, was on wiring a Garmin stack to an avionics master switch purchased from Lancair. The rocker switch is rated at 15 amps, needless to say the radio stack runs allitle over the switches capacity. I guess I'll have to use a 30 AMP relay for the switching. Any info. on finding the correct relay to use, wiring insights, schematics, ect. . . would be appreciated.

Jeff Rienzi
Premier Motorsports, Inc.
1001 Goodworth Dr., Ste.101
Apex, NC 27539
919-418-9000
jeff@eurocars4less.com
www.eurocars4less.com

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