X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:59:26 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mtai03.charter.net ([209.225.8.183] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.11) with ESMTP id 2280427 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:23:24 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.225.8.183; envelope-from=troneill@charter.net Received: from aa02.charter.net ([10.20.200.154]) by mtai03.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070823152247.DELY21729.mtai03.charter.net@aa02.charter.net> for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:22:47 -0400 Received: from axs ([75.132.198.100]) by aa02.charter.net with SMTP id <20070823152246.ZYCI26124.aa02.charter.net@axs> for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:22:46 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <003c01c7e599$75ace2d0$6401a8c0@axs> From: "terrence o'neill" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Avionics X-Original-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:22:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C7E56F.8C982420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Chzlrs: 0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C7E56F.8C982420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Joe, This may not contribute much, since my project is Lancair kit #11, = resurrected 2 years ago. Stripped out the steam gage, vacuum, and = wiring. Changed to BandC alternator and standby 8a... wanted a modified Nuckolls = #13 dual electrical system. Bought dual GRT EFIS, Digiflight II, a Bendix navcom, Garmin transponder = and 396, FastStack hub, and asked Lancair for a quote... remote from = Illinois; visited L in OR and saw what you do. Frankly what I wanted to do looked very difficult, being electronically = challenged, and I would have to make scaled sketches of the plane as-is, = and so on, for you to do the wiring harnass, adn don't know how you = would test everything. Next I sent a panel sketch,and got a quote ... $13k, labor, not incl. = components. Seemed high... but I have no experience. I could see all kinds of problems, trying to do it with L shop there and = the plane in Illinois. Finally by the grace of God found a retired avionics pro. I mounted all the components. He flew his RV here from OK, stayed with us, and wired a thousand wires. = I was his gofer. Next I had to do some mechanical things, and he came = back a second time to finish the job. Everything works ... so far. = There were a few minor programming loose ends for some of the EFIS = functions, that I may have to have my man return for. =20 The cost so far, not including components, is less than $2k. Had this man not emerged, I would have gladly paid air fare and expenses = to have a pro come from Lancair to do this job, which I am incapable of = doing, even with the FastStack hub. Avionics has a long way to go = before it becomes plug and play even as simple/complex as our computers. = Too many optional functikons by gear from different manufacturers. It's = a wonder to me that it works as welll as it does. Lots of talent at = work there. You might consider offering a service with per diem travel, etc. It = worked for us. I would have been pleased to pay two or three times as = much as I did, to get the job done. Thanks for your concern and straightforwardness in the way you run = Lancair. =20 Hope this info helps. Terrence O'Neill ----- Original Message -----=20 From: marv@lancair.net=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 09:57 AM Subject: [LML] Avionics Posted for "Joe Bartels" : OK everyone, I'm looking for input from those of you who may have gone = to=20 avionics shops other than Lancair's. What were the reasons for you = going=20 outside of Lancair for purchased of your instrument panel. What can = Lancair=20 Avionics do to be more competitive in our own market? I invite you to = respond=20 to joeb@lancair.com=20 Joseph C. Bartels, CEO Lancair International, Inc. =20 -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C7E56F.8C982420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi = Joe,
 
This may not = contribute much,=20 since my project is Lancair kit #11, resurrected 2 years ago.  = Stripped out=20 the steam gage, vacuum,  and wiring.
Changed = to BandC=20 alternator and standby 8a... wanted a modified Nuckolls #13 dual = electrical=20 system.
 
Bought dual GRT = EFIS,=20 Digiflight II, a Bendix navcom, Garmin transponder and 396, FastStack = hub, and=20 asked Lancair for a quote... remote from Illinois; visited L in OR and = saw what=20 you do.
Frankly what I = wanted to do=20 looked very difficult, being electronically challenged, and I would have = to make=20 scaled sketches of the plane as-is, and so on, for you to do the wiring = harnass,=20 adn don't know how you would test everything.
Next I sent a panel = sketch,and=20 got a quote ... $13k, labor, not incl. components.
Seemed high... but = I have no=20 experience.
 
I could see all = kinds of=20 problems, trying to do it with L shop there and the plane in=20 Illinois.
 
Finally by the = grace of God=20 found a retired avionics pro.
I mounted all the=20 components.
He flew his RV = here from=20 OK, stayed with us, and wired a thousand wires.  I was his = gofer. =20 Next I had to do some mechanical things, and he came back a second time = to=20 finish the job.  Everything works ... so = far.   There were a few minor = programming=20 loose ends for some of the EFIS functions, that I may have to have my = man return=20 for. 
The cost so far, = not including=20 components, is less than $2k.
Had this man not = emerged, I=20 would have gladly paid air fare and expenses to have a pro come from = Lancair to=20 do this job, which I am incapable of doing, even with the FastStack = hub. =20 Avionics has a long way to go before it becomes plug and play even as=20 simple/complex as our computers. Too many optional functikons by gear = from=20 different manufacturers.  It's a wonder to me that it works as = welll as it=20 does.  Lots of talent at work there.
 
You might consider = offering a=20 service with per diem travel, etc.  It worked for us. I would have = been=20 pleased to pay two or three times as much as I did, to get the job=20 done.
 
Thanks for your = concern and=20 straightforwardness in the way you run Lancair. 
Hope this info=20 helps.
 
Terrence = O'Neill
 
 
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From:=20 marv@lancair.net=20
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 = 09:57=20 AM
Subject: [LML] Avionics

Posted for "Joe = Bartels" <JoeB@lancair.com>:

OK = everyone,=20 I'm looking for input from those of you who may have gone to =
avionics=20 shops other than Lancair's. What were the reasons for you going =
outside of=20 Lancair for purchased of your instrument panel. What can Lancair =
Avionics=20 do to be more competitive in our own market? I invite you to respond =
to=20 joeb@lancair.com

Joseph C. Bartels, CEO
Lancair = International,=20 Inc.
 

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