X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 05:51:28 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web36606.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.85.23] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.11) with SMTP id 2226173 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:30:23 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.191.85.23; envelope-from=wfhannahan@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 30951 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2007 05:29:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bfomKjSmH4WSivYdK8SXo6AGHoOERWfX9Ef+3U1nMQzdnpGAsg5VUnOnEUe9UVRxXaQhpVzuu7gHI5jvSVHNQ47EuvYJqILdm6kcz9S2j4AKKoYjH07IoA3Y/kvq1tOec/7Vz0CvigIK6wkD+PldzA1n1XtCyr+GCPeQ29G51XI=; X-YMail-OSG: 0k7qNfQVM1kMExQ4mUXm2lwfqffusm0M_VW9CNI9IyE9B8uY42R7q5_JCRneu9vr6q6dh6SG7QU.IaELYsSfJTRCUiary1tw.dPSWN4hyUWmYdA0EUXbGwcc6pNiPQ-- Received: from [71.208.17.41] by web36606.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 22:29:44 PDT X-Original-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 22:29:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Hannahan Subject: SUMMARY OF LANCAIR ACCIDENTS IN NTSB DATABASE X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1144089208-1186032584=:30571" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Original-Message-ID: <831275.30571.qm@web36606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-1144089208-1186032584=:30571 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Terrence, What percentage of those 24 planes had AOA indicators, and what is the percentage in the entire fleet, preferably by model? While AOA is a useful tool, I am not convinced that having AOA and using it under normal conditions will immunize you from a spin under abnormal conditions. If an AOA systems fails in a non conservative way it could induce an accident that would not otherwise have happened. terrence o'neill wrote: BLOCKQUOTE { PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } DL { PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } UL { PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } OL { PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } LI { PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } Jeff, Thanks for the Lancair accident update. Note that of these 126 Lancair accidents, 54 included fatalities, and 24 of the accidents definitely resulted from a stall/spin -- the last pilot-controllable event before the pilot pulled his wing past its stall AOA and became a doomed passenger. Note that a wing of a trimmed a/c will not stall unless the pilot pulls the stick back too far, causing his aircraft to pitch up to a stall AOA... which he unintentionally does because he cannot SEE the realtive wind and his wing's stall AOA. A sad, unnecessary waste of friends' and families lives, beautiful aircraft, and years of creative work, all for the lack of an inexpensive AOA indicator and a little training to develop habitual use of it. Terrence O'Neill L235/320 N211AL Regards, Bill Hannahan wfhannahan@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. --0-1144089208-1186032584=:30571 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Terrence,
 
What percentage of those 24 planes had AOA indicators, and what is the percentage in the entire fleet, preferably by model?
 
While AOA is a useful tool, I am not convinced that having AOA and using it under normal conditions will immunize you from a spin under abnormal conditions.
 
If an AOA systems fails in a non conservative way it could induce an accident that would not otherwise have happened.
 

terrence o'neill <troneill@charter.net> wrote:
Jeff,
 
Thanks for the Lancair accident update. 
Note that of these 126 Lancair accidents, 54 included fatalities, and 24 of the accidents definitely resulted from a stall/spin --  the last pilot-controllable event before the pilot pulled his wing past its stall AOA and became a doomed passenger.
Note that a wing of a trimmed a/c will not stall unless the pilot pulls the stick back too far, causing his aircraft to pitch up to a stall AOA...
which he unintentionally does because he cannot SEE the realtive wind and his wing's stall AOA.
A sad, unnecessary waste of friends' and families lives, beautiful aircraft, and years of creative work, all for the lack of an inexpensive AOA indicator and a little training to develop habitual use of it.
 
Terrence O'Neill
L235/320 N211AL
 



Regards,
Bill Hannahan


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