X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:18:15 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mtai03.charter.net ([209.225.8.183] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.10) with ESMTP id 2189418 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:45:06 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.225.8.183; envelope-from=troneill@charter.net Received: from aa03.charter.net ([10.20.200.155]) by mtai03.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070720144420.SXJE1450.mtai03.charter.net@aa03.charter.net> for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:44:20 -0400 Received: from axs ([75.132.198.100]) by aa03.charter.net with SMTP id <20070720144420.HZVO7864.aa03.charter.net@axs> for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:44:20 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <00bb01c7cadc$75047230$6401a8c0@axs> From: "terrence o'neill" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: OSH VFR Arrival X-Original-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:44:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B8_01C7CAB2.8B8F9220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Chzlrs: 0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01C7CAB2.8B8F9220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Barry,=20 Haha. I'd like to add one thing to that. ---An AOA vane eliminates that sweat. YOu can enjoy steep 90's turning = final. Terrence L235/320 N211AL ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Barry Hancock=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 07:11 PM Subject: [LML] Re: OSH VFR Arrival On Jul 18, 2007, at 7:33 PM, Sky2high@aol.com wrote: Barry, Great suggestions for the VFR arrival at OSH. It actually triggered = another that I haven't thought about for a while since I have flown in = with the Cup racers over the last few years. Lancair pilots don't = normally fly much straight-and-level at 135 KIAS. Normal flights are = either at high cruise speeds or 100-110 Knots in the pattern setting up = for the landing. One thing to do before getting to OSH is to go out and = practice some slow flight to get a feeling for the mushiness in that = regime. Amen, Grayhawk! There was a thread on the list pertaining to the = Legacies and flying 100 KIAS until short final. Not to re-hash it, = but...eegads! If you are going into OSH and you're not comfortable = handling your airplane @ 90 KIAS then in my mind you have two choices: 1) Get comfortable with it....the plane is perfectly capable. =20 2) Drive I'm not trying to be glib here, but the LAST thing anyone needs to be = doing is have circumstance (lots of traffic, unexpected maneuvers by = numbskulls, unusual controller requests due to afore mentioned = circumstances, etc.) put them in a flight regime they're not comfortable = with - that is when the bad stuff happens. =20 Obviously the 135 kt. arrival is much preferable.....but circumstances = may leave you in an unexpected place. Do you know how much back = pressure you can safely apply at 90 knots and 30 degrees of bank? Base = to final at 500' AGL isn't the place to find out. Hope to see y'all there! Barry ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01C7CAB2.8B8F9220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Barry, =
 
Haha.  I'd = like to add one=20 thing to that.
 
---An AOA vane=20 eliminates that sweat. YOu can enjoy steep 90's turning=20 final.
 
Terrence
L235/320 = N211AL
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Barry = Hancock=20
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 = 07:11=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: OSH VFR = Arrival


On Jul 18, 2007, at 7:33 PM, Sky2high@aol.com wrote:
Barry,
 
Great=20 suggestions for the VFR arrival at OSH.  It actually triggered = another=20 that I haven't thought about for a while since I have flown in with = the Cup=20 racers over the last few years.  Lancair pilots don't = normally fly=20 much straight-and-level at 135 KIAS.  Normal flights are either = at high=20 cruise speeds or 100-110 Knots in the pattern setting up for the=20 landing.  One thing to do before getting to OSH is to go out = and=20 practice some slow flight to get a feeling for the mushiness in that = regime.

Amen, Grayhawk!  There was a thread on the list pertaining = to the=20 Legacies and flying 100 KIAS until short final.  Not to re-hash = it,=20 but...eegads!  If you are going into OSH and you're not = comfortable=20 handling your airplane @ 90 KIAS then in my mind you have two = choices:

1)  Get comfortable with it....the plane is perfectly = capable. =20  
2)  Drive

I'm not trying to be glib here, but the LAST thing anyone needs = to be=20 doing is have circumstance (lots of traffic, unexpected maneuvers by=20 numbskulls, unusual controller requests due to afore mentioned = circumstances,=20 etc.) put them in a flight regime they're not comfortable with - that = is when=20 the bad stuff happens.  

Obviously the 135 kt. arrival is much preferable.....but = circumstances=20 may leave you in an unexpected place.   Do you know how much = back=20 pressure you can safely apply at 90 knots and 30 degrees of = bank?  Base=20 to final at 500' AGL isn't the place to find out.

Hope to see y'all there!

Barry

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