X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:09:36 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from ironport5.liveoakmail.com ([216.110.12.21] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.9) with ESMTP id 2073124 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 29 May 2007 13:54:30 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.110.12.21; envelope-from=walter@advancedpilot.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAFsFXEZAMf4VeWdsb2JhbACCLzSNGwIJDiw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.14,589,1170655200"; d="scan'208,217";a="15385267" Received: from rs5.liveoakhosting.com (HELO secure5.liveoakhosting.com) ([64.49.254.21]) by ironport5.liveoakmail.com with ESMTP; 29 May 2007 12:53:51 -0500 Received: (qmail 22437 invoked from network); 29 May 2007 12:53:51 -0500 Received: from 216-107-97-170.wan.networktel.net (HELO ?10.0.1.3?) (216.107.97.170) by rs5.liveoakhosting.com with (AES128-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 29 May 2007 12:53:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-290533997 X-Original-Message-Id: <3633FDBA-9B83-4A72-914E-FC509E5FEED8@advancedpilot.com> From: Walter Atkinson Subject: Re: [LML] Re: TSIO 550 LOP X-Original-Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:53:16 -0500 X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) --Apple-Mail-1-290533997 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed OK, Paul, let's review the issue. Compression ratio: The higher CR WILL ALWAYS result in a lower EGT/TIT if all else is held constant. Why? Boyle's Law. PV = nRT. As the volume expands, the gas temperature goes down. More expansion; more temp loss = lower EGT. RPM: Higher RPM move the EFFECTIVE timing closer to TDC. This results in more expansion = lower EGT. There are many factors, but those two account for a lot. The FF is set by the pilot and is meaningless as a comparison. You must only use peak TIT as the comparison or all FF values between engines are pretty meaningless. This is basic physics and if the experiment is properly done, it will always result in the same answer! Walter On May 29, 2007, at 11:47 AM, PTACKABURY@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 5/28/2007 8:58:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, walter@advancedpilot.com writes: If you are asking for confirmation that the above is true, ANY text on combustion, and all of the data collected at any one of the existing engine test facilities will confirm. Walter Walter: I understand the theory and am confident you have many Ada test runs to quote. I am however a curmudgeon test pilot who had been fooled by well meaning engineers for years and like to see FLIGHT data when ever possible. There are many ways to effect egt in flight and most are easier than putting in new pistons. Additionally most of the flight conditions I have seen posted here by TSIO-550-8.5 flyers have had LOP fuel flows nearer 19gph than 7.5 to achieve 200ish KIAS so that is a curiosity. Lastly you also point out that the higher CR engines have retarded timing, and of course lower boost--so it is more than just a piston change and flight experience is worth reviewing. paul See what's free at AOL.com. --Apple-Mail-1-290533997 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK, Paul, let's review the = issue.=A0=A0

Compression = ratio:
The higher CR WILL ALWAYS result in a lower EGT/TIT if = all else is held constant.=A0 Why?=A0 Boyle's Law.=A0 PV =3D nRT.=A0 As = the volume expands, the gas temperature goes down.=A0 More expansion; = more temp loss =3D lower EGT.

RPM:
Higher RPM = move the EFFECTIVE timing closer to TDC.=A0 This results in more = expansion =3D lower EGT.

There are many factors, but = those two account for a lot.=A0=A0

The FF is set by the pilot = and is meaningless as a comparison.=A0 You must only use peak TIT as the = comparison or all FF values between engines are pretty = meaningless.

This is basic physics and = if the experiment is properly done, it will always result in the same = answer!=A0 <g>

Walter


On May 29, = 2007, at 11:47 AM, PTACKABURY@aol.com = wrote:

=
In a message dated 5/28/2007 8:58:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, walter@advancedpilot.com = writes:
If you = are asking for confirmation that the above is true, ANY text on = combustion, and all of the data collected at any one of the existing = engine test facilities will confirm.

=
Walter
Walter:=A0 = I understand the theory and am confident you have many Ada test runs to = quote.=A0 I am however a curmudgeon test pilot who had been fooled by = well meaning engineers for years and like to see FLIGHT data when ever = possible.=A0 There are many ways to effect egt in flight and most are = easier than putting in new pistons.=A0 Additionally most of the flight = conditions I have seen posted here by TSIO-550-8.5 flyers have had LOP = fuel flows nearer 19gph than 7.5 to achieve 200ish KIAS so that is a = curiosity.=A0 Lastly you also point out that the higher CR engines have = retarded timing, and of course lower boost--so it is more than just a = piston change and flight experience is worth reviewing.=A0 = paul




See what's = free at AOL.com. =

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