X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:08:14 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.198.209] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.9) with SMTP id 2073050 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 29 May 2007 13:12:00 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.198.209; envelope-from=rjones2000@sbcglobal.net Received: (qmail 8024 invoked from network); 29 May 2007 17:11:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:thread-index:In-Reply-To; b=xKGBTSbvA62jx3iQYovbUr/MfUUBU6vwE2sktdZSrlXZFAun0vxPUhPwWYByWookmGcQNP+ntmymUJd5cN3Ox5A9nPNTQpi66lXS0SFIowttMEdI1nIiVrab9LI1HHyROe7LTD0+ELv8kO0bs27nMgbQm6/GGCuDzE+cuUdwmD0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Toshiba) (rjones2000@sbcglobal.net@75.36.197.185 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2007 17:11:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EZxPB3QVM1n5jNhXXdSHZma3mmlEMssjMt3G3KIrd817eg8b_yHj7GuReeNLJA9oJarybs7Yp_9gDOGywYJ7OCFUZv2i1vtLygrmAu6_IFksKEzQoo4- From: "rjones2000" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Electrical Fire X-Original-Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:11:21 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <001001c7a214$61ac5cc0$6601a8c0@Toshiba> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 thread-index: AceiEV9HBeQeI0P/TYyfXCDmTwQHugAAqYTw In-Reply-To: Hi, John. Excellent email! This is what makes the LML so valuable from a safety standpoint. Thanks for sharing this experience with us. Very helpful. Believe me, I will be checking all the pass throughs on my firewall, and, indeed, all of my connections. My annual is next month so I will definitely focus on this. Again, well said, well flown, and well done. Thanks. Ron Ron Jones ron@legacy-innovations.com -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Halle, John Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:50 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Electrical Fire On straight-in for my home airport, about two miles out, smoke started swirling around in the cockpit. It wasn't real bad but it was definitely noticeable by both sight and smell. In hindsight it was clearly an electrical fire (smell and where the smoke was coming from around the panel) but I quickly declared an emergency saying I had a fire in the engine compartment. Don't know why I said that other than that it was what I was the most afraid of. There was no place to land short of the runway so I went into high-speed prayer mode, held gear and flaps until the last moment and landed more or less normally. Shut down on the runway and coasted to a turnoff. Couldn't do the fuel shutoff quickly so just turned it to in between left and right. Switches off, canopy up and told my wife to leave by the nearest exit. By the time she was gone, I was noticing that there was no new smoke so I decided to hunt around for the fire extinguisher (where is was supposed to be but under my flight bag.) With still no indication of a continuing fire, I started turning off switches and, having by this time convinced myself that the problem was electrical, took the glare shield off to look around. Saw nothing at first but one of the fire guys who showed up right after that found a small blackened spot in the firewall near the top right. Sure enough, the alternator wire pass through had burned through. The stud and nuts were fused and a small part of the surrounding e-glass seemed to have burned. I had two opportunities to catch this early. The first was that amps seemed to be running on the high side. We put this down to having to charge up the battery because we had had systems on with the engine off but, in hindsight, it was a clue. Then about a week ago, I had the same smell on approach to Boeing. There was no smoke, it went away after a couple minutes and I saw nothing when I removed the glareshield and inspected. Also no repeat on the return trip. Turns out that high amperage connections (like all other connections) can loosen over time. If they do so, resistance goes up, amperage goes up to compensate (at least in the case of the alternator wire) arcing takes place and eventually the whole system burns up. There is no short and therefore no cb's pop but, as I discovered, the process can start a fire. The firewall connections are hard to see (at least on the cabin side) but I am definitely adding that to my annual checklist. If the rest of you are not sure your connections are as tight as they were when you put them together, suggest you check. I'm also finding a new place for my fire extinguisher. -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html