X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 2 [X] Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:49:47 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.48] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.8) with ESMTP id 1993013 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:32:12 -0400 Received: from jacky0da39824a ([71.111.172.251]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JGQ00HIX74V2EL5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:31:46 -0500 (CDT) X-Original-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:31:17 -0700 From: "Tom Gourley" Subject: Re: [LML] turn-around altitude X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Reply-to: "Tom Gourley" X-Original-Message-id: <004f01c78233$311940b0$640610ac@jacky0da39824a> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: "so... how much altitude did that burn? From 80 kias, about 700 feet. The rollin is a little slow as there is a need to build a little speed for the turn. A nose-high turn here would be very close to stall. From 100 kias, about 500 feet" Bob, These numbers sound pretty good. I did some very similar tests in a Grumman Tr-2 many years ago. I don't remember the exact results but I do remember concluding that I wouldn't want to attempt a teardrop turn back to the runway at less than 1000' AGL; assuming it would even make it back to the runway. The Tr-2 glided a lot like a truck with both doors open. But, as they say in the ads, your mileage may vary. Tom Gourley