X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 1 [X] Return-Path: Received: from [68.202.132.19] (account marv@lancaironline.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro WEBUSER 5.1.6) with HTTP id 1850172 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:24:25 -0500 From: "Marvin Kaye" Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Outboard elevator hinge bleeding To: lml X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.1.6 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:24:25 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004301c7549c$cc01cd50$6504a8c0@hoben59c2e82ed> References: <004301c7549c$cc01cd50$6504a8c0@hoben59c2e82ed> X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1";format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Posted for "James H. Keyworth" : I seem to recall that Chris Zavatson posted a very detailed process for eliminating hinge looseness (and thus excess wear) a year or so ago. JHK [Rather than pointing everyone at a link I'm sure Chris wouldn't mind if I simply copied his post here... good info is always worth multiple passes. Thanks to Chris for his frequent contributions here. ] """This topic has had a fairly short cycle time on the LML, re-emerging relatively often. I follow these threads with interest since I tinkered with the hinge issue a couple of years ago. The result is an all metal solution that eliminates play far better than anything I have seen thus far. Wear has not been measurable yet, but I only have a few years and couple hundred hours on the parts. The details are online at: http://www.n91cz.com/HingePlay/hinges.htm In short, a standard MS hinge is reamed (hand reamer from McMaster) and then a larger diameter pin is used (SS welding rod). General conclusions: 1.The standard MS hinge extrusion has a huge allowable tolerance for the hole diameter (.005"). Without modification, there is no single pin or insert that will both fit all hinges and not have play. http://www.n91cz.com/HingePlay/hinge_spec_1.jpg http://www.n91cz.com/HingePlay/hinge_spec_2.jpg 2.The MS pin is undersized which adds to the tolerance in 1. http://www.n91cz.com/HingePlay/pin_spec.jpg 2.Wear can be controlled by contolling the pin/hinge tolerance and clearance. 3.Plastics such as Teflon and Nylon are very soft and will flow and deform if subjected to high loads. http://www.n91cz.com/HingePlay/sleeve-web.JPG How much play is acceptable is very difficult to quantitfy. Certainly less is better, in particular for non-mass balanced surfaces such as large trim tabs. The following video clip compares the play of various hinge options. http://www.n91cz.com/HingePlay/Hinge_Play_Test-low_res.WMV Chris Zavatson N91CZ 360std www.N91CZ.com """