X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 10 [X] Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:41:00 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.6) with ESMTP id 1845596 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:01:00 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.2; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id q.d3d.290b909 (57317) for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:59:19 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:59:19 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Non-failed Nylaflo brake lines X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1171825159" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5358 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1171825159 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/18/2007 11:37:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, brent@regandesigns.com writes: I have this gun. People have told me there may be bullets loaded in it but I don't believe them because I have a friend who knows guns and has told me there are no bullets in my gun and every year or so I have a look in the chamber. It is dark in there but I don't see any bullets. I have a habit of pulling the trigger while pointing at random objects and people. Others with identical habits and situations report loud explosions and destroyed property when they do this. My experience is that nothing bad happens. My conclusion is that my behavior is safe. I am sure the FAA, my insurance company and the plaintiffs attorneys will agree. Sincerely, Nylaflow Enthusiast "A man has got to know the limitations of his equipment." If you are considering refuting this logic to reinforce a rationalization you have made, don't bother because: 1) If you can afford $100 hamburgers you can afford $100 brake lines. 2) You are not going to convince anyone who has changed there lines that it was a bad thing to do. 3) You don't want to be the guy they point to after the off runway excursion. Brent, Balderdash! One of the reasons I don't use arguments by analogy is that they are often not analogous to the discussion at all. Some people have reported failures with Nylaflo. None appear to have reported any analysis as to why it failed. Was it excessive heat generated by severe braking? Was it a poor installation that kinked the line? Was it improper installation of fittings? Was it abrasion from vibration? All of the above? None of the above? Some of the above? Etc. What I did present was one successful installation and why I thought it is still successful. I don't care to replace my Nylaflo lines at this time. I didn't suggest that any other aircraft braking application make use of Nylaflo. The choice is still left to the individual. This I do know - the best, most expensive item in the world is not free from failure. The FAA and the insurance companies do not guarantee that certified aircraft are made with the most reliable components, built and installed by error-free individuals resulting in no failures, ever. I know, I flew Cessnas with Continental engines, both working together most of the time. That is precisely the reason I thought I could do better myself. I know how to calculate and rank the relative risks that I take. I'm not that bold and I'm still getting old. Believe me, Nylaflo is not high enough on my broad and long risk list at this time to warrant ripping it out and replacing it now. I do not exist in a risk free environment and I will not cease all activity because of risk. Now, if you are only referring to all the other idiots like me that continue to rely on Nylaflo, that's OK. Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96 Aurora, IL (KARR) A man has got to know his limitations So as not to suffer imitations. To contemplate luck's run I shall go stare at the sun And 'see' my meditations. -------------------------------1171825159 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 2/18/2007 11:37:32 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 brent@regandesigns.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>I have this gun.

People have told me there may be bull= ets=20 loaded in it but I don't believe them because I=20= have a=20 friend who knows guns and has told me there are no bullets in my gun and e= very=20 year or so I have a look in the chamber. It is dark in there but I don't s= ee=20 any bullets.

I have a habit of pulling th= e=20 trigger while pointing at random objects and=20 people.

Others with identical habits and situations report loud=20 explosions and destroyed property when they do this.

My experience=20= is=20 that nothing bad happens.

My conclusion is that my behavior is=20 safe.

I am sure the FAA, my insurance company and the plaintiffs=20 attorneys will agree.

Sincerely,
Nylaflow=20 Enthusiast

"A man has got to know the=20 limitations of his equipment."

If you are= =20 considering refuting this logic to reinforce a rationalization you have ma= de,=20 don't bother because:
1) If you can afford $100 hamburgers you can affo= rd=20 $100 brake lines.
2) You are not going to convince anyone who has chang= ed=20 there lines that it was a bad thing to do.
3) You don't want to be the=20= guy=20 they point to after the off runway=20 excursion.
Brent,
 
Balderdash!
 
One of the reasons I don't use arguments by analogy is that they are of= ten=20 not analogous to the discussion at all.
 
Some people have reported failures with Nylaflo.  None appear= to=20 have reported any analysis as to why it failed.  Was it excessive=20= heat=20 generated by severe braking?  Was it a poor installation that kinked th= e=20 line?  Was it improper installation of fittings?  Was it abrasion=20= from=20 vibration?  All of the above?  None of the above? Some of the abov= e?=20 Etc.
 
What I did present was one successful installation and why I thought=20 it is still successful.  I don't care to replace my Nylaflo lines=20= at=20 this time.  I didn't suggest that any other aircraft braking applicatio= n=20 make use of Nylaflo.  The choice is still left to the individual.
 
This I do know - the best, most expensive item in the world is not free= =20 from failure.  The FAA and the insurance companies do not guarantee tha= t=20 certified aircraft are made with the most reliable components, built and=20 installed by error-free individuals resulting in no failures, ever.  I=20 know, I flew Cessnas with Continental engines, both working together mo= st=20 of the time.  That is precisely the reason I thought I could do be= tter=20 myself. 
 
I know how to calculate and rank the relative risks that I take.&n= bsp;=20 I'm not that bold and I'm still getting old.  Believe me, Nylaflo is no= t=20 high enough on my broad and long risk list at this time to=20 warrant ripping it out and replacing it now.  I do not exist in a risk=20= free=20 environment and I will not cease all activity because of risk. 
 
Now, if you are only referring to all the other idiots like me tha= t=20 continue to rely on Nylaflo, that's OK.=20
 
Scott Krueger=20 AKA Grayhawk
Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96
Aurora, IL (KARR)

A m= an=20 has got to know his limitations
So as not to suffer imitations.
To contemplate luck's run
I shall go stare at the sun
And 'see' my meditations.
 
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