X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 10 [X] Return-Path: Received: from [68.202.132.19] (account marv@lancaironline.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro WEBUSER 5.1.4) with HTTP id 1738414 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:46:56 -0500 From: "Marvin Kaye" Subject: Re: [LML] Re: D2 Update part deux To: lml X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.1.4 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:46:56 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8984A39879F2F5418251CBEEC9C689B3287449@lucky.dts.local> References: <8984A39879F2F5418251CBEEC9C689B3287449@lucky.dts.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1";format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Posted for "Chuck Jensen" : Brent's multiple posts all focus on the 'legal' obligations of the parties, or at least as he perceived them. That may be fine for the court room, but I've not heard the 'moral' and 'market' obligations of the players explored. They are not one and the same, at least among responsible parties that value their reputation. Even the 'legal' obligations are less clear than it may appear, based on agency. Picking up on Brent's use of real world examples, if I go to a car dealer and one of his salemen sells me a car, takes my money and tells me to pick it up tomorrow. And I show up tomorrow and the dealer says Sid 'Slick" Sailsman got fired yesterday and he never gave me any money, so I guess your out of luck. Not necessarily. It depends on agency and who was a legal representative of whom. Clearly, the car salesman was an agent of the dealer and the dealer is going to have to pay up. Certainly, it's less clear who D2 was an agent of? Chelton, Crossbow, PinPoint? In all likelihood, Chelton has a signed agreement with D2 (if they had a relationship at all?) that says specifically that D2 is not acting as an agent of Chelton, hence D2 can not bind or legally obligate Chelton in any way or manner. Is Chelton home free? Not at all. The legal burden may well rest with Chelton (or whoever) to prove that D2 was not, in effect, acting as their agent. These things are always fact specific, but responsibility may well turn on how D2 represented their product. If there was any implication that this is a Chelton product and 'Chelton makes great products and so you know they are good' and Chelton did nothing to disabuse the market place that 'this is not a Chelton product and Chelton neither endorses or supports it', then the slippery slope for Chelton may well have started. In essence, they were enjoying the fruits of the market place while shirking liability by attempting to hide behind the veil of a second company. The above example is are not based on fact or legal opinion (though I am writing this from my suite at the Holiday Inn). The players may not even be identified correctly, but the point is this is not necessarily as straightforward as it first appears. It not always as simple as A gave money to C who gets his product from B, but since B didn't get any money from A, then B is free and clear. Sounds good, but not always true. It depends on what C represented and what B did to ensure accuracy of those representations. Hopefully, someone will step forward and graciously put forward a compromise before the food fight starts. Chuck Jensen