Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #38970
From: Kevin Stallard <Kevin@arilabs.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] Electrical bugs
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:09:32 -0500
To: <lml>

Be careful with single point grounds.  If they are too far from the power source you can inadvertently create a loop.   What you really want to do is keep electrical loops small or non-existent.  The power and return lines to a device should not create a loop.  You can do this by twisting them together and making the physical distance between the power and ground leads as short as possible.  Signal wires are especially prone to inducted noise since the receivers being used to sample the signal are usually very sensitive.  Keep those loops small, using twisted pair really helps if it is common mode noise (i.e. both the return and supply lines are radiated approximately the same).

 

The ground bus should run as close as possible to the supply bus.  Doing these things helps keep inducted noise off the bus.  Conducted noise is a different matter and is taken care of by using some sort of filtering (capacitors, etc).  Keep in mind that if conducted noise is on a pair of wires that forms a loop, it can radiate and be picked up by other leads that also make a loop.

 

Keep your loops small, just as small as you can make them (twisted pair).  Shielding helps too, but don’t ground the shield at both ends or you could create a loop and the shield is less effective (if at all).

 

My first impression about the problem below is that it looks like it was a victim of inducted noise.  I don’t know what the probes look like, and I don’t know what the wiring was like, but could it be that the wiring to and from the probes was acting like an antenna more than the probes themselves?

 

Kevin Stallard

Legacy #300

 

 


From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of James Cameron
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 2:02 PM
To: lml
Subject: [LML] Electrical bugs

 

    These electrical bugs sound like grounding problems.  Running all ground connections to a single point ground would probably clear up 90% of them.  I like Bob Nuckolls' "forest of tabs" ground system (sold by B&C), and since using it in my last couple airplanes, have had very clean systems in terms of noise and crosstalk.  Once good grounding has been taken care of, routing of wires is perhaps the next thing to look at.  If antenna wires can be separated, and high-current wires, especially alternator leads, can be kept away from others, that may help.  Finally, some equipment is just not very well designed to filter out noise.  Some years ago I had an E.I. fuel quantity guage that would go nuts every time I keyed the mic to transmit.  Apparently the fuel probes were acting as antennas, and the E.I. device had poor (or no) input filtering.

 

Jim Cameron

Legacy N132X (reserved)

 

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