X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:32:31 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from gateway1.stoel.com ([198.36.178.141] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.6) with ESMTP id 1461558 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:39:53 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=198.36.178.141; envelope-from=JJHALLE@stoel.com Received: from PDX-SMTP.stoel.com (unknown [172.16.103.137]) by gateway1.stoel.com (Firewall Mailer Daemon) with ESMTP id E81D0AF0AB for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PDX-MX6.stoel.com ([172.16.103.64]) by PDX-SMTP.stoel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:39:32 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Lancair driver make the AVWEB news X-Original-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:39:32 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <17E9FE5945A57A41B4D8C07737DB60720372578E@PDX-MX6.stoel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Lancair driver make the AVWEB news Thread-Index: Acbt5Wz0aQRfEq0QSJmC+a9MYqQI1gALHLnw From: "Halle, John" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2006 15:39:32.0406 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CCCC560:01C6EE14] I also read the article and was a bit surprised at the extreme language. On the other hand, anyone who listned to the audio clip knows that there was at least one USDA prime moron trying to get into OSH. Given that it is a busy place, it is very possible to have 90% of the pilots taking the thing seriously and still have a couple dozen morons in the pattern. The speed thing is a real problem. The only time I tried to get into OSH, it was IFR when I got there and I ended up at Appleton. I have gone into Arlington and have first hand knowledge that there are a large number of pilots who either do not have any clear idea of what 90 kts. is or don't care. My Legacy can do 90 kts. more or less forever. It's awkward, the nose is up and it requires concentration but it is doable. No harder than taxiing a tail-dragger. Following an a/c doing 70 kts., on the other hand, requires serious S-turns low, in a high traffic area and close to stall speed. It only takes one moron to put the entire gaggle behind him in that position. I think the OSH people should consider multiple approach patterns based on speed rather than a/c type. It just doesn't work to have a pattern in which there are firewalled a/c shaking and rattling around at 80 kts. and other a/c hovering on the brink of a stall trying to stay behind them. It would be nice if there were three approaches: 60/100/130 kts. You could pick whatever one made sense but you would have actually to fly that speed. FWIW, I have read all about the 130 kt. Pattern 500 ft. high but have a hard time figuring out how the patterns merge at the airport. If somone has done it and knows, I would love to hear.