X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [66.174.79.231] (account marv@lancaironline.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 5.0.9) with HTTP id 1116718 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 16 May 2006 23:19:53 -0400 From: "Marvin Kaye" Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Engine failure on TO To: lml X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.0.9 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 23:19:53 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4179193.1147784157703.JavaMail.root@centrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> References: <4179193.1147784157703.JavaMail.root@centrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Posted for : This was the point of my original post. This maneuver is a good thing to practice with altitude to spare, but only to teach how extremely difficult it is to make a return to the airport without lots of altitude. As Gary pointed out, without a AOA, it gets a little dicey - we all know how stall speed increases with bank angle and g-loads. What if in a real world situation the temptation to "help out with a little rudder" and you stall one wing -you are toast. As Gary points out, there is very little horizon, lots of ground filling the windshield and turning very fast. In a real engine failure you are going to have a lot of adrenalin and maybe some passengers screaming.... All this makes the difficulty even greater. Be careful out there. Nathan Kanagy