X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 23:15:06 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.70] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1115466 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 16 May 2006 04:04:26 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.70; envelope-from=rtitsworth@mindspring.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=dXAdYmVTWlkTN3xrWm/6EeIOQCZjuIDqhhHmWoXWQVBQ1tYYXnTlUbKn+WsIvlph; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.3.250.9] (helo=RDTVAIO) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FfuWq-0002qv-3O for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 16 May 2006 04:03:40 -0400 Reply-To: From: "richard titsworth" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Stability and Control X-Original-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 04:03:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZ2vbL1tCX+3hnAQ5O4D8bUYiiHSQAFmYqQAHrBkwA= X-Original-Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: b17f11247b2ac8f0a79dc4b33984cbaa0a9da525759e26547f169e16abf22cf2f5a9f25443367907133ed92d71017c35350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.250.9 "Rienk Ayers said... ...I continue to assert that, ideally, the plane is designed to be the most stable and controllable that it can be, so that when a pilot does something stupid, there is a better chance of getting out of the mess in one piece... Mr Ayers, The statement above (in isolation) seems to make sense. However, in the context of your earlier post, you offensively imply anything even remotely less would be "unsafe", and then continued on a tirade about Lancairs (many models) all being unsafe and recommended grounding them, while offering virtually no facts and/or credible, tangible, or feasible improvement suggestions (for any of them). I don't necessarily agree with most of your opinions, nor the approach/demeanor of your posts. However, if you really are sincere, perhaps you should focus your energy where you mouth is, and have your team analyze the landing gear of the Envoy. Certainly a fixed gear is more forgiving of pilot (and perhaps mechanical) mishaps. Even despite various warnings and/or system redundancies, fixed is still safer. So, per similar application of your warped logic (drivel), if you don't remove the retracts and go fixed gear, then all your efforts on the Envoy are thus wasted on an "UNSAFE" airplane (which should also obviously not be flown). No need to include facts or risk/cost/performance discussion, as they don't seem to apply in your world nor view of safety. To further help with other safety improvements, I've attached a picture of a concept modification which should help you in your STRUGGLES to ever get out of the design phase, let alone flight testing, let alone selling, let alone successful mature business, let alone ever even thinking about FAA certification issues. Obviously, you've got plenty to focus on in your own shop, rather than throwing mud (and flames) at others. Shame on you - how immature. Hmmmm, perhaps the attached design concept really is a good fit in your world. Seriously, outside of a lot of wasted emotional energy, the real waste is that unfortunately, a meaningful discussion regarding control stick feedback forces, control responsiveness, associated effects to stability, and additional insights for training might have ensured from a more appropriate initial message. However, your short-sighted, self-indulgent, and offensive approach doomed all of that. If you're as smart as you claim, you know my opinion, and won't respond to this unless it's a brief unqualified apology for the damage you've caused. Maybe if we're lucky, time will pass, your post will be forgotten, and someone else will bring it back up with a constructive mindset. Rick