X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 11:48:41 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mxsf10.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.210] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1112824 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 14 May 2006 08:55:29 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.225.28.210; envelope-from=troneill@charter.net Received: from mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.134]) by mxsf10.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4ECsgZm014875 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 08:54:43 -0400 Received: from 68-184-229-22.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com (HELO axs) ([68.184.229.22]) by mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 14 May 2006 08:54:42 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,125,1146456000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1633587747:sNHT30062750" X-Original-Message-ID: <003601c67755$921bf8b0$6501a8c0@axs> From: "terrence o'neill" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: "unsafe" airplanes X-Original-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 07:54:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C6772B.A8F4EA80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C6772B.A8F4EA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott, Just a note -- the engine failure wa not the 'final cause' of the = crash. If it was seen diving and possibly rotating toward the ground, = he stalled it... and certainly not intentionally. Terrence N211AL L235/320 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sky2high@aol.com=20 To: Lancair Mailing List=20 Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: [LML] Re: "unsafe" airplanes In a message dated 5/13/2006 6:24:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, = djmolny@yahoo.com writes: And on that note, it gave me chills to read that a professional = pilot in the business of high performance training may have (MAY have) spun in = during a classic emergency situation covered by the very training he = provided. If true, that does not speak well for the L-IV series, nor does it bode = well for pilots with lesser credentials. DJ Yes, but first we have to discover when and why the engine went bad. = If on takeoff roll, the flight should have been aborted. There is a = small takeoff window where an engine failure can defeat even the best = pilots - think of the twin and the problems just after rotation with = sudden stoppage in one engine. If an engine failure occurs on power = reduction (after sufficient altitude was gained), well there is where = training and finesse can save the day (barring any obstructions, like = trees, buildings, granite, humans, etc). Remember that the plane just came out of servicing from some "builder = assist" facility. Hmmmmm, anybody have problems with a plane after = service? Loose fuel line? Plugs in finger tight? Oil sump never filled? = Water in the fuel? Etc? Just food for thought....... Maybe we should wait for more info. =20 Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96 Aurora, IL (KARR) Abnegate Exigencies! ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C6772B.A8F4EA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Scott,
    Just a = note -- the=20 engine failure wa not the 'final cause' of the crash.  If it was = seen=20 diving and possibly rotating toward the ground, he stalled it... and = certainly=20 not intentionally.
Terrence N211AL = L235/320
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From:=20 Sky2high@aol.com=20
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 = 11:47=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: "unsafe"=20 airplanes

In a message dated 5/13/2006 6:24:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, = djmolny@yahoo.com writes:
And on=20 that note, it gave me chills to read that a professional pilot in=20 the
business of high performance training may have (MAY have) = spun in=20 during a
classic emergency situation covered by the very training = he=20 provided.  If
true, that does not speak well for the L-IV = series,=20 nor does it bode well
for pilots with lesser=20 credentials.

 
DJ
 
Yes, but first we have to discover when and why the engine = went=20 bad.  If on takeoff roll, the flight should have been=20 aborted.  There is a small takeoff window where an engine = failure=20 can defeat even the best pilots - think of the twin and the problems = just=20 after rotation with sudden stoppage in one engine.  If an = engine=20 failure occurs on power reduction (after sufficient altitude was = gained), well=20 there is where training and finesse can save the day = (barring any=20 obstructions, like trees, buildings, granite, humans, etc).
 
Remember that the plane just came out of servicing from some = "builder=20 assist" facility.  Hmmmmm, anybody have problems with a plane = after=20 service?  Loose fuel line? Plugs in finger tight? Oil sump never=20 filled?  Water in the fuel? Etc?
 
Just food for thought.......
 
Maybe we should wait for more info. 
 
 
 
Scott=20 Krueger AKA Grayhawk
Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96
Aurora, IL=20 (KARR)

Abnegate=20 Exigencies!
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