X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:48:41 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.69] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1072777 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:47:13 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.69; envelope-from=rtitsworth@mindspring.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=V/4eP1mZmsqCAv4Q7EKJPUTg7MLsdkGG8sx2Wg9ofNrRgX3EQEWqvFWqO8MGG4zx; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [72.245.36.84] (helo=RDTVAIO) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FW2i2-0007C9-MZ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:46:26 -0400 Reply-To: From: "richard titsworth" X-Original-To: "'DAVE'" , , "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [Lancair_ES] Fuel Injectors SB06-1 and GAMI PRISM questions... X-Original-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:46:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <98606EF36EE3FE438744A1ED10B2AB86306A73@hanseniq.hansenplastics.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZi/WEe7us1HgW8R/emIir/UcVvYAACs3yQAAH0zxAAAnA/sAAPM/NA X-Original-Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: b17f11247b2ac8f0a79dc4b33984cbaa0a9da525759e2654a321c8f6c14031d222aba8fac47e92d9e925a8e63659b694350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 72.245.36.84 Dave, Thanks for the update (below). The TCM comments re: the Sonic Bleed nozzles are interesting. Assuming the "Tim @ Lanciar" is Tim Ong - he has (recently) cautioned me against plugging the sonic nozzles based on his knowledge of folks toasting the Turbos. So, we seem to have all kinds of (somewhat contradicting) info (as usual). I have received a couple responses from Walter A and George B to my recent posts on the LML. Should be a good sideline discussion at APS if you want to query them further on their opinions. Going with a few non-believers should be fun! Rick rtitsworth@mindspring.com p.s. I'll be interested to hear how your muffs work once you're flying. I like the two sided approach. In a couple heat discussions I've been in, two suggestions have seemed to make sense. 1) Make sure that most all of the potential various cabin "leaks" are sealed. Spar Box, Controls Rods, Fuel lines, Wires, Luggage Door, etc. And then add a single small vent in the rear (hat rack) to insure that the cabin is not pressurizing. 2) Make sure the "flow of air" is front to rear. As you probably know, the Naca scoop/vent on the vertical stab seems to have the capability to flow "gobs" of air at relatively high pressure. If cold air (drafts) are entering from the rear, and leaking out various holes near the front, then hot air never gets to the back, rather the back passengers are "washed" with cold drafts. I'm also interested in where you get the air from that enters the heat muffs. Seems it would ideally come from the upper side of the engine baffles (fresher air and higher pressure). But, that is more Scat plumbing. Theoretically, the pressure below the baffles is lower, to create a "draw" and help cool the engine. If so, and you get the air from down there, less air will flow through the muffs and into the cabin (correct)? The air down there could also be more "polluted" (exhaust leak, oil mist, etc). Did you consider a couple small Naca scoops on the side of the cowl (similar to the Legacy) for the air going into the muffs? I'd love a couple pictures if you have time! -----Original Message----- From: DAVE [mailto:dwatermann@hansenplastics.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 3:11 PM To: rtitsworth@mindspring.com Subject: RE: [Lancair_ES] Fuel Injectors SB06-1 and GAMI PRISM questions... Rick......will certainly look for this stuff for you and take pics if allowed. FYI....I spoke to TCM tech named Dave and discussed removing sonic nozzles and plugging them. He got back to me and said that it was not a problem, and in fact, I should talk to "a guy named Tim at Lancair" as he thought they had plugs available. I did not do that....I just removed mine and turned up a couple of alum. plugs and use the same hose that held nozzles in to hold my plugs in. I modified my exhaust pipes and made them longer and at a slightly less angle that followed the tunnel out of engine compartment. Then I had two custom heat muffs made....(left and right are slightly diff.) The pilot side will supply heat to defrost/front seat area.....and the co-pilot heat muff will supply heat to rear seat area. Each has it's own contol cable. Have flown in all the spam cans and am always boiling while trying to keep rear seat pass. "half warm" if you know what I mean, so wanted to try to get better control in mine. I had also talked to a lot of IV & IVP guys and they all told me heat from the intercoolers was marginal at best.....and noisy....especially the un-pressurized guys. Am not flying yet, so do not know for sure how it will work out....! Hope this helps you....talk to you next week and let you know what I found at Ada..... Dave Watermann (This is my second trip to course....going for refresher...with 3 other guys that are non-believers in lean of peak.....so will be fun to watch the transformation in how they think about their engines!)