X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:32:31 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.7f) with ESMTP id 950832 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:01:47 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.2; envelope-from=VTAILJEFF@aol.com Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id q.246.5aa3288 (16781) for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:53:51 -0500 (EST) From: VTAILJEFF@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <246.5aa3288.31068e4f@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:53:51 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Runway checks, passes, flybys. X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1138046031" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5021 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1138046031 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/23/2006 1:20:11 PM Central Standard Time, farnsworth@charter.net writes: didn't see where George advocated being unsafe. I think both he and I have done a great deal of flying where "speed is life" was the rule of the day. The FAA rules allow 200 KTS in the airspace around an airport. Since you were quoting rules to show that he is unsafe, I guess if he doesn't exceed 200 KTS he is within the rules and by definition, safe. Would flying an ILS low approach followed by an acceleration to 200 KTS to a closed pattern to a full stop landing be considered unsafe? I don't think so. Lynn, I am not saying flying fast is unsafe by itself BUT a 100' AGL pass at 200 knots down the runway does not pass my litmus test for the prudent pilot. What is the purpose of this kind of flight? We had one gent do this here in the St. Louis metro area two years ago at the very airfield on which he lived and he hit a very familiar tree. Some questions to ask yourselves: 1. What would the newspaper say the next day? 2. What would the FAA inspector say standing on the ramp watching this? 3. What would my insurance broker say? 4. What would my wife say? 5. What would my boss say? 6. Am I setting a good example to the youngsters on the field? 7. How would the accident report read? Would anyone employing you as a professional pilot approve of it-- say Northwest, United, Delta, Navy Air Force, etc? If I had an applicant do this on a checkride he would definitely flunk under the heading of "poor aeronautical decision making". NTSB reports show that from 2000-2005 there were 19 accidents resulting in 28 fatalities from buzzing, flathatting and shining one's ass. Some of these smart pilots killed two of their good friends as well. There is no justification for this behaviour in my book. Safe? Prudent? Smart? Cheerful regards, ;) Jeff -------------------------------1138046031 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 1/23/2006 1:20:11 PM Central Standard Time,=20 farnsworth@charter.net writes:

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didn't see where George advocated being unsafe. I think both he a= nd=20 I have done a great deal of flying where "speed is life" was the= =20 rule of the day.

The=20 FAA rules allow 200 KTS in the airspace around an airport. Since you=20= were=20 quoting rules to show that he is unsafe, I guess if he doesn't exceed= 200=20 KTS he is within the rules and by definition, safe.

Would flying an ILS low approach followed by an acceleration to 2= 00 KTS=20 to a closed pattern to a full stop landing be considered unsafe? I do= n't=20 think so.

Lynn,

I am not saying flying fast is unsafe by itself BUT a 100' AGL pass at=20= 200=20 knots down the runway does not pass my litmus test for the prudent pilot. Wh= at=20 is the purpose of this kind of flight? We had one gent do this here in the S= t.=20 Louis metro area two years ago at the very airfield on which he lived and he= hit=20 a very familiar tree.

Some questions to ask yourselves:

1. What would the newspaper say the next day?

2. What would the FAA inspector say standing on the ramp watching=20 this?

3. What would my insurance broker say?

4. What would my wife say?

5. What would my boss say?

6. Am I setting a good example to the youngsters on the field?

7. How would the accident report read?

Would anyone employing you as a professional pilot approve of it-- say=20 Northwest, United, Delta, Navy Air Force, etc? If I had an applicant do this= on=20 a checkride he would definitely flunk under the heading of "poor aeronautica= l=20 decision making".

NTSB reports show that from 2000-2005 there were 19 accidents= =20 resulting in 28 fatalities from buzzing, flathatting and shining one's ass.=20= Some=20 of these smart pilots killed two of their good friends as well. There is no=20 justification for this behaviour in my book. Safe? Prudent? Smart?

Cheerful regards, ;)

Jeff

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