Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 19:27:00 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net ([63.240.77.81] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with ESMTP id 821126 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:56:54 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=63.240.77.81; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com Received: from boblaptop2 (pcp08634725pcs.arlngt01.va.comcast.net[68.50.1.134]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005110621560501100me7vee>; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 21:56:05 +0000 From: "Robert R Pastusek" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: RE: [LML] 14 vs 28 volt system X-Original-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 16:52:45 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Dan Ballin wrote: I am going to be starting on an RG Legacy in a few months and wanted to get opinions on whether to do a 14 volt system or 28. I am sure I'll end up with an all electric dual alternator/bus/battery system. Love to hear + / - and if you had to do it over, what would you do. Dan, Jim White and I built two IV-P's with 28 volt systems. One just flying, the second soon. All the avionics we used were dual voltage, but some of the other systems required additional work/considerations. The Ray Allen trim system, for instance is 12 volts (only). Simple, but extra circuits to provide 12 volts to the trim system--and the power outlet in the cockpit, etc. One mistake we made on Jim's plane was to power the Ray Allen flap position indicator system with 28 volts. Only burned out two of these before the clue bird got through that we'd made a mistake in this wiring... There are LOTS of automotive-type cockpit lights, etc in 12 volts; you can even get many of them in 28 volts--if you go to Europe. The reasons we went 28 volt were 1) a belief that we'd need the power for our "all electric" airplanes, and 2)the hope that a good 28 volt electric anti-ice and/or air conditioner compressor would be available by the time we were ready to fly. Neither system has delivered to date, and the avioinics/electrical systems we're using draw considerably less power than those available when we started building. A 12 volt system at 25-20 amps (steady state) is more than adequate for our night flying load. Pitot heat and hydraulic pump run this value up, but these are intermittant loads, and a 60 amp system should give you more than an adequate reserve. In any case, I'd recommend you chart and total all the loads, both stead state and intermittant, and give yourself at least a 20% reserve margin on power generation capability. Bottom line for me is that I'd recommend you stick with a 12 volt system, and "buffer" your avionics with an emergency/standby battery that feeds the avionics during engine start and primary electrical system shutdown. Lots of previous discussion on this on the LML in past years. You may want to review the views of others using the search engine. Hope this helps, Bob Pastusek