X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [65.33.162.121] (account marv@lancaironline.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.3.5) with HTTP id 1024133 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:28:37 -0400 From: "Marvin Kaye" Subject: Re: Induction (not just carb) heat requirements. To: lml X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.3.5 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:28:37 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050627231201.67935.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050627231201.67935.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Posted for BILL HANNAHAN : Lorn Thanks for the data points. My rocky mountain engine monitor display only goes up to 19 deg C. pulling carb heat pegs it unless the initial carb temp is below -5 C indicating a change of 24 C, 43 F. when I built it in 1991 the only sensor was an expensive certified probe with a brass thermowell that screws into the carb body near the venturi (possibly above the venturi and below the butterfly) and extends about a quarter inch into the airstream. Since brass is a good heat conductor, it is measuring some ratio of air temperature and carb body temperature. I don’t know how this correlates to inlet air temperature. The Tiger may have a similar probe. A sensor would have to be upstream of the carb for an accurate assessment of the induction heat system. What are folks using for probes these days? My heat muff is flat wrapped aluminum sheet around the two crossover exhaust pipes in front of the sump, bent into an oval cross section and secured with spacers and hose clamps to provide a 1/8 to 3/8 inch gap between the pipes and muff. Both ends are open and a flange for 2 inch scat is welded on the bottom center of the muff. Air can flow in from both ends. The gap on top is larger than at the bottom so most air flows in from the top and wafts down around the exhaust pipes to the scat. The air is preheated by the cylinder fins. //// """ Bill, I flew in a Tiger last year. The Tiger had a carb air temp (CAT) gauge. When I pulled the carb heat, the CAT increased by about 10°F. In my Lancair with an O-320-D1F, and the heat muff stuffed with stainless steel Brillo pads, the CAT only increases by about 8°F. I know that this is not enough but I would be happy with a 15°F increase. The new CAT increase requirements must be much more stringent than in the past. Lorn """ BILL HANNAHAN WFHANNAHAN@YAHOO.COM