Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #29825
From: George Braly <gwbraly@gami.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Plasma III on Hi Compression Engines - Firewall Install Notes
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 01:57:54 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

Craig,

 

Sorry for the delay in responding.

 

Yes. 

 

Yes.

 

At high MP,  Max Brake Torque on these big bore engines happens with peak combustion pressures at around 15 to 16d  ATDC.

 

There is a broad range of spark advance for which the torque is within  + - 1 to 2 % of  MBT.

 

However,  that range of spark advance covers an operating spread of peak cylinder pressures that ranges from benign to  RTTSPB  (ready to turn spark plugs ballistic ).

 

So, to pull a  Willy Clinton on you,  the answer to your question all depends on the meaning of the word  “best”.

 

If  “best” means  “the difference between 600 and 605 ft-lbs of torque,  I may not want to be part of the discussion!

 

If best means what is the best possible combination of  engine operating parameters for  very high continuous torque and reasonable engine durability - - then we have a lot to talk about.

 

The recent data that came out of the trial in Texas suggests that the six cylinder 300+ Hp Lycoming crankshafts are rather marginal in design.  From data we have developed at our test stand,  the crankshaft torsional issues get to be rather excited if one tries to push the peak cylinder pressures to the 15-16d ATDC range - - even if that would make more torque. 

 

I put those two pieces of information together and reach the conclusion that if there are ways to operate the engine at high power but minimize the peak torsionals,  then that method ought to be used.

 

I’m not sure I answered your question.  If not, let me try again.

 

Regards,  George

 

 


From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Craig Berland
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 1:32 PM
To: Lancair Mailing List
Subject: [LML] Re: Plasma III on Hi Compression Engines - Firewall Install Notes

 

"I would not be comfortable with the timing set at 25d
BTDC for a 10:1 CR experimental version of the 8.7:1 Lycoming engine. George"

 

George,  is 25 deg BTDC over advanced?  Or is the engine not structurally capable of carrying the added torque?  What is best timing (that is timing to produce peak torque)?

 

Craig Berland

 


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