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Jeff,
    thanks for your post.   I've read everything on the HPAT site.  =
...and I have a question, which I will get to.

    I think everybody knows of someone that predictably died in an =
airplane but I am totally unconvinced that all people that die at the =
controls are people that would give you stupid answers if you posed a =
situation on the ground.   Under the stress of circumstances people do =
some pretty weird things.    Flight Safety appears to go after this =
problem by strapping you in the sim and inflicting you with these =
situations over and over until your reactions are the correct ones.    A =
really obvious example is engine failure in a twin near Vmc.  That =
particular one is not one you get in a Lancair but other things and =
degenerate pretty quickly.
=20
    My question:   How much of that sort of hands-on, =
deal-with-it-in-realtime exposure do you get with the HPAT program?

Colyn Case
LIV-P
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: VTAILJEFF@aol.com=20
  To: Lancair Mailing List=20
  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 8:57 PM
  Subject: [LML] Re: Shannon's Accident Summarized


  In a message dated 5/10/2005 9:14:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, =
marv@lancaironline.net writes:
    Perhaps it is time to organize and dedicate ourselves to an agreed
      creed, mission statement, or whatever to see this happen.  =
Sometimes a
      written and signed commitment to ourselves and each other works as =
a
      great reminder.
     =20
      Bryan Burr

  Bryan and others,

  You all are right on the mark-but a signed piece of paper is no =
substitute for great training. Lancair and High Performance Aircraft =
Training has been offering initial and recurrent training for the last =
year and a half. We had a great turnout in Florida for the Sebring but =
the weather did not cooperate fully (low IFR Friday -Sunday). Training =
was supposed to be held next weekend in Hondo but has been canceled due =
to lack of interest.=20

  Pete, Dave and I have given ground school at the last two Lancair =
fly-ins, free forums at Oshkosh, etc. Walter & George Braly give very =
good (read great) advice and information on engine operation and their =
Advanced Pilot Seminar in Ada, OK is recommended for all piston =
operators.=20

  The sad fact is annual Lancair recurrent flight training turnout is =
very light. Some pilots think that a "Joe bag of donuts" 18 year old =
brand new CFI with zero hours in a Lancair is an adequate substitute. If =
you really wan to avoid what happened to Shannon, then commit yourself =
to a good thorough review with HPAT.

  Regards,

  Jeff Edwards
  LIVP N619SJ=20
  CFI (I), MEI=20
  2003 National Flight Instructor of the Year

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<DIV>Jeff,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; thanks for your post.&nbsp;&nbsp; I've read =
everything=20
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to.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I think everybody knows of someone that =
predictably died=20
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the=20
controls are people that would give you stupid answers if you posed a =
situation=20
on the ground.&nbsp;&nbsp; Under the stress of circumstances people do =
some=20
pretty weird things.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Flight Safety appears to go after =
this=20
problem by strapping you in the sim and inflicting you with these =
situations=20
over and over until your reactions are the correct =
ones.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A=20
really obvious example is engine failure in a twin near =
Vmc.&nbsp;&nbsp;That=20
particular one is not one you get in a Lancair but&nbsp;other things and =

degenerate pretty quickly.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; My question:&nbsp;&nbsp; How much of that sort =
of=20
hands-on, deal-with-it-in-realtime exposure do you get with the HPAT=20
program?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Colyn Case</DIV>
<DIV>LIV-P</DIV>
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  <A title=3DVTAILJEFF@aol.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:VTAILJEFF@aol.com">VTAILJEFF@aol.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlml@lancaironline.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:lml@lancaironline.net">Lancair Mailing List</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 10, 2005 =
8:57 PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [LML] Re: Shannon's =
Accident=20
  Summarized</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT id=3Drole_document face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
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  <DIV>
  <DIV>In a message dated 5/10/2005 9:14:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, =
<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:marv@lancaironline.net">marv@lancaironline.net</A> =
writes:</DIV>
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solid"><FONT=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =

    size=3D2>Perhaps it is time to organize and dedicate ourselves to an =

    agreed<BR>&nbsp; creed, mission statement, or whatever to see this=20
    happen.&nbsp; Sometimes a<BR>&nbsp; written and signed commitment to =

    ourselves and each other works as a<BR>&nbsp; great =
reminder.<BR>&nbsp;=20
    <BR>&nbsp; Bryan Burr<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV>Bryan and others,</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>You all are right on the mark-but a signed piece of paper is no=20
  substitute for great training. Lancair and High Performance Aircraft =
Training=20
  has been offering initial and recurrent training for the last year and =
a half.=20
  We had a great turnout in Florida for the Sebring but the weather did =
not=20
  cooperate fully (low IFR Friday -Sunday). Training was supposed to be =
held=20
  next weekend in Hondo&nbsp;but has been canceled due to lack of =
interest.=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Pete, Dave and I have given ground school at the last two Lancair =

  fly-ins, free forums at Oshkosh, etc. Walter &amp; George Braly give =
very good=20
  (read great) advice and information on engine operation and their =
Advanced=20
  Pilot Seminar in Ada, OK&nbsp;is recommended for all piston operators. =
</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>The sad fact is annual Lancair recurrent flight training turnout =
is very=20
  light.&nbsp;Some pilots think that a&nbsp;"Joe bag of donuts" 18 year =
old=20
  brand new CFI with zero hours in a Lancair is an adequate substitute. =
If you=20
  really wan to avoid what happened to Shannon, then commit yourself to =
a good=20
  thorough review with HPAT.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Regards,</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Jeff Edwards</DIV>
  <DIV>LIVP N619SJ </DIV>
  <DIV>CFI (I), MEI </DIV>
  <DIV>2003 National Flight Instructor of the Year</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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