X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:31:29 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net ([204.127.202.59] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTP id 939659 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 11 May 2005 08:27:04 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.202.59; envelope-from=bjburr@mwheli.com Received: from vaio (c-67-186-218-101.hsd1.ut.comcast.net[67.186.218.101]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <20050511122617014008lcgqe>; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:26:18 +0000 From: "Bryan J. Burr" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Shannon's Accident Summarized X-Original-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 06:19:57 -0600 X-Original-Message-ID: <002a01c55623$ca5a5950$0400a8c0@VAIO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C555F1.7FC16FF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C555F1.7FC16FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Jeff, I agree with you and I think your training program is the best for our aircraft. All I was trying to present was that there should be at least a minimum standard that we as owners and builders could adopt. It may even include training using highly experienced and knowlegeable instructors in Lancair aircraft. I was only putting in writing my thoughts. What I suggested wasn't a legal signed document or contract but only something similar to the Boy Scouts (for example) that would set the mind of each owner/builder. "BE PREPARED" A Scout is "Loyal, helpful, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent." "DO A GOOD TURN DAILY." These are only statements that good Boy Scouts adopt to guide them throughout their lives. I am sure there could be a similar statement developed that would help us as Lancair builder's and owners guide us through our flying opportunities and experience. Just a suggestion. Bryan N132BB -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of VTAILJEFF@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:58 PM To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] Re: Shannon's Accident Summarized In a message dated 5/10/2005 9:14:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, marv@lancaironline.net writes: Perhaps it is time to organize and dedicate ourselves to an agreed creed, mission statement, or whatever to see this happen. Sometimes a written and signed commitment to ourselves and each other works as a great reminder. Bryan Burr Bryan and others, You all are right on the mark-but a signed piece of paper is no substitute for great training. Lancair and High Performance Aircraft Training has been offering initial and recurrent training for the last year and a half. We had a great turnout in Florida for the Sebring but the weather did not cooperate fully (low IFR Friday -Sunday). Training was supposed to be held next weekend in Hondo but has been canceled due to lack of interest. Pete, Dave and I have given ground school at the last two Lancair fly-ins, free forums at Oshkosh, etc. Walter & George Braly give very good (read great) advice and information on engine operation and their Advanced Pilot Seminar in Ada, OK is recommended for all piston operators. The sad fact is annual Lancair recurrent flight training turnout is very light. Some pilots think that a "Joe bag of donuts" 18 year old brand new CFI with zero hours in a Lancair is an adequate substitute. If you really wan to avoid what happened to Shannon, then commit yourself to a good thorough review with HPAT. Regards, Jeff Edwards LIVP N619SJ CFI (I), MEI 2003 National Flight Instructor of the Year ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C555F1.7FC16FF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Dear Jeff, 
 
I agree with you and I think your = training=20 program is the best for our aircraft.  All I was trying to present = was that=20 there should be at least a minimum standard that we as owners and = builders could=20 adopt.  It may even include training using highly experienced and=20 knowlegeable instructors in Lancair aircraft.  I was only putting = in=20 writing my thoughts.  What I suggested wasn't a legal signed = document or=20 contract but only something similar to the Boy Scouts (for example) = that=20 would set the mind of each owner/builder.
 
"BE PREPARED"
 
A Scout is "Loyal, helpful, = courteous, kind,=20 obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent."
 
"DO A GOOD TURN = DAILY."
 
These are only statements that = good Boy=20 Scouts adopt to guide them throughout their lives.
 
I am sure there could be a similar = statement=20 developed that would help us as Lancair builder's and owners guide us = through=20 our flying opportunities and experience.
 
Just a suggestion.
 
Bryan
N132BB
-----Original Message-----
From: Lancair = Mailing List=20 [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 VTAILJEFF@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:58=20 PM
To: Lancair Mailing List
Subject: [LML] Re: = Shannon's=20 Accident Summarized

In a message dated 5/10/2005 9:14:16 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 marv@lancaironline.net writes:
Perhaps it is = time to=20 organize and dedicate ourselves to an agreed
  creed, = mission=20 statement, or whatever to see this happen.  Sometimes = a
 =20 written and signed commitment to ourselves and each other works as=20 a
  great reminder.
 
  Bryan=20 Burr
Bryan and others,
 
You all are right on the mark-but a signed piece of paper is no=20 substitute for great training. Lancair and High Performance Aircraft = Training=20 has been offering initial and recurrent training for the last year and = a half.=20 We had a great turnout in Florida for the Sebring but the weather did = not=20 cooperate fully (low IFR Friday -Sunday). Training was supposed to be = held=20 next weekend in Hondo but has been canceled due to lack of = interest.=20
 
Pete, Dave and I have given ground school at the last two Lancair = fly-ins, free forums at Oshkosh, etc. Walter & George Braly give = very good=20 (read great) advice and information on engine operation and their = Advanced=20 Pilot Seminar in Ada, OK is recommended for all piston operators. =
 
The sad fact is annual Lancair recurrent flight training turnout = is very=20 light. Some pilots think that a "Joe bag of donuts" 18 year = old=20 brand new CFI with zero hours in a Lancair is an adequate substitute. = If you=20 really wan to avoid what happened to Shannon, then commit yourself to = a good=20 thorough review with HPAT.
 
Regards,
 
Jeff Edwards
LIVP N619SJ
CFI (I), MEI
2003 National Flight Instructor of the Year
 
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