Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:52:54 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.7] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c3) with ESMTP id 880777 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:15:10 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.7; envelope-from=Mquinns@aol.com Received: from Mquinns@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38.7.) id q.149.43710122 (25711) for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:14:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Mquinns@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <149.43710122.2f93bb2b@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:14:19 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Inboard gear doors Outback gear X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1113743659" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 -------------------------------1113743659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian, I also opted to not use the provided outback doors on my 360. If I had it to do over again, the outback doors would have been used. I did learn a few things during the exercise, the most important of which is that the cutout wing skins can be successfully used. I also was forced to reverse my gear sides. Others are: 1. The pilot side wing depth is 5/8" narrower than the copilot side. 2. The tires provided for the outback option are the narrowest available. I purchased and mounted four different tires that had the potential to be narrower but all were thicker. 3. If we could go back to the beginning when positioning the gear geometry, a very minute toe-out setup will move the tire forward and inboard (toward the thicker root of the wing). The additional clearance provided is not large but is the easiest to realize without enormous effort. It is also just enough gain to make it possible and the small toe out penalty will have no appreciable effect on tire wear and handling. 4. Additional clearance (small) can be realized by adjusting your donut assembly bolt to make it as long as possible (with sufficient room at the closeout rib) before cutting your wing skins. This has the effect of moving the tire wheel/assembly forward and inboard to the thickest part of the wing root thereby increasing clearance. 5. Almost and 1/8" of clearance was achieved by careful shimming, spacing and tailoring bolt lengths on the axle and brake assembly. It was critical to not just provide tire clearance in the wheel but also room for the caliper to slide along the two positioning shafts. 6. The caliper was more than sufficient material to be shaved at points where contact will happen on the upper skin. 7. Both the doors and the upper wing skin need to be relieved for maximum clearance. I reinforced with three bid on the wing skin and also incorporated a thin heat sink where the caliper will be in close proximity. I am sure there are other things I have forgotten but this exercised took place over a period of months with lots of trial and error till everything finally worked. All of this was to the pilot side. A blind man could handled the copilot side. I am happy with the result but if I had to do it over again, the inboard doors from the factory would go on. PS.... in my dreams the elimination of the factory outback door bumps make my 360............... "1/4 mph faster" MARK QUINN -------------------------------1113743659 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ian,
   I also opted to not use the provided outback doors on= my=20 360. If I had it to do over again, the outback doors would have been us= ed.=20 I did learn a few things during the exercise, the most important of which is= =20 that the cutout wing skins can be successfully used. I also was forced to=20 reverse my gear sides. Others are:
 
   1. The pilot side wing depth is 5/8" narrower than the cop= ilot=20 side. 
 
   2. The tires provided for the outback option are the narro= west=20 available. I purchased and mounted four different tires that had the potenti= al=20 to be narrower but all were thicker.
 
   3. If we could go back to the beginning when positioning t= he=20 gear geometry, a very minute toe-out setup will move the tire forward and=20 inboard (toward the thicker root of the wing). The additional clearance prov= ided=20 is not large but is the easiest to realize without enormous effort. It is al= so=20 just enough gain to make it possible and the small toe out penalty will have= no=20 appreciable effect on tire wear and handling.
 
   4. Additional clearance (small) can be realized by adjusti= ng=20 your donut assembly bolt to make it as long as possible (with sufficient roo= m at=20 the closeout rib) before cutting your wing skins. This has the effect of mov= ing=20 the tire wheel/assembly forward and inboard to the thickest part of the wing= =20 root thereby increasing clearance.
 
   5. Almost and 1/8" of clearance was achieved by careful=20 shimming, spacing and tailoring bolt lengths on the axle and brake assembly.= It=20 was critical to not just provide tire clearance in the wheel but also r= oom=20 for the caliper to slide along the two positioning shafts.
 
   6. The caliper was more than sufficient material to be sha= ved=20 at points where contact will happen on the upper skin.
 
   7. Both the doors and the upper wing skin need to be relie= ved=20 for maximum clearance. I reinforced with three bid on the wing skin and also= =20 incorporated a thin heat sink where the caliper will be in close=20 proximity.
 
   I am sure there are other things I have forgotten but this= =20 exercised took place over a period of months with lots of trial and error ti= ll=20 everything finally worked. All of this was to the pilot side. A blind man co= uld=20 handled the copilot side. I am happy with the result but if I had to do it o= ver=20 again, the inboard doors from the factory would go on.
 
PS.... in my dreams the elimination of the factory outback door bumps m= ake=20 my 360............... "1/4 mph faster"
 
MARK QUINN 
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