Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 15:29:31 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.100] (HELO ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c2) with ESMTP id 771531 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:22:52 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.100; envelope-from=hapgoodm94@alum.darden.edu Received: from HP780N (cpe-065-184-084-150.nc.rr.com [65.184.84.150]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j25HM3bp027162 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:22:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Matt Hapgood" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: FADEC Rough idle explanation X-Original-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:22:08 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine I hear both of you and agree wholeheartedly with PART of what you are saying. I have stated quite clearly that I think it is EXTREMELY important to have a good idea how much fuel is REMAINING. But flight planning to within 0.1 GPH is pure folley in my aircraft, because 1. I rarely am able to tell, within even 2 gallons per wing, my STARTING fuel amounts, and 2. Flying a NORMALLY ASPIRATED plane, my fuel burn is impacted significantly by weather (which altitude I choose and WIND), and ATC (which altitude they assign). Typically these differences account for more than 1 GPH. So, given these two facts of flight planning, I'll stick to my ORIGINAL point (adding back the parts that keep getting clipped out to try to make a point about something I don't agree with): "I personally don't really care whether I burn 8 GPH or 9 GPH in cruise. I'm not going to fuel plan that precisely. I can't. I don't always know whether I will fly at 6,000' or 12,000' and that makes a WHOLE lot larger difference in fuel planning than leaning. And just as in the car, I'd land and fuel up if I got lower on fuel than expected on a trip." Please note that the very important part about FUEL PLANNING. That is MY POINT. PERIOD! If I can't PLAN any more detailed, I'm not going to memorize some tables about fuel burn for every scenario only to have it be meaningless. AGAIN, ask me my fuel burn and I'll tell you - I DON'T KNOW to within more than about 1 GPH. So I'll cease typing on this thread and let you all continue to tell me how I need to know my fuel flow better than the 1 GPH (slightly more than 10% CONSERVATIVE) accuracy that I indicated. And I'll keep checking my REMAINING fuel and landing when I realize I won't have an hour reserve on landing. Call me chikin, call me innacurate. Call me alive. You guys keep stressing over a 0.2 GPH burn rate... I kinda enjoy the humor in it. Matt