Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:10:24 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta9.adelphia.net ([68.168.78.199] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c1) with ESMTP id 724966 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:27:47 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.168.78.199; envelope-from=glcasey@adelphia.net Received: from worldwinds ([70.32.213.236]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with SMTP id <20050211152656.KIUQ620.mta9.adelphia.net@worldwinds> for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:26:56 -0500 From: "Gary Casey" X-Original-To: "lancair list" Subject: Aluminum fittings X-Original-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:24:32 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 <> Very good questions. My answer is a little bit of a guess and maybe it will draw out more educated responses: Lycoming uses aluminum cylinder head drain line fittings where vibration is likely to be the highest of any location. Why? I assume that is "okay" because they have a lot of experience with no vibration failures at that location. If I attached hardware of a different weight to the same location I would probably use steel just because I don't want to do extensive vibration surveys. I'm sure "their" aluminum isn't better (same AN fittings). As I understand it their prop governor fitting is supposed to be steel. There were some failures of the aluminum lines and I believe the fix was to change to steel lines - and the steel fitting was specified at the same time even though the fitting itself wasn't the problem. If my engine had a steel fitting there (I checked) I would replace it with steel. I think the problem with an aluminum line on the turbo housing is that in the case of an exhaust leak the high-pressure jet of exhaust could actually melt the fitting (speculation?) and then there would be a high pressure jet of oil spraying into the exhaust for a guaranteed fire. The hose is protected with fire sleeve so it has some life available. An oil drain has nothing attached to it and the manufacturers can be assumed (oh, yeah?) to have done their homework to make sure there are no vibration modes that will cause a problem. My worry is mostly regarding fatigue failures at the pipe thread that often is used to attach the fitting to the engine. Aluminum fittings without pipe threads, like those on the diaphragm fuel pump, are not so susceptible to fatigue. In any event, I wouldn't worry much about a typical fitting attached to the engine and connected to a standard flexible hose as a fatigue issue would be very unlikely. The problem comes from hanging extra weight on a fitting, like building the fitting out with nipples and couplings. Then there is more than ordinary weight all supported by the pipe thread into the engine. The resonant frequency of such an assembly is probably unknown and could be excited by normal engine operating conditions. There are some places where an error in building resulting in cracked parts is just a maintenance issue, but a cracked or broken oil line fitting is a big, big deal. Gary Casey