Return-Path: Received: from dub-img-8.compuserve.com ([149.174.206.138]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52269U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:27:33 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by dub-img-8.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.19) id KAA01151 for lancair.list@olsusa.com; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:30:00 -0400 From: Lynda Frantz Subject: Engine out landings Sender: Lynda Frantz To: "INTERNET:lancair.list@olsusa.com" Message-ID: <199906291030_MC2-7B30-D51F@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >I respect what has been said and all the theory expounded on engine out landings but until you have done one you don't what realy goes on. I will tell you that although not every one agrees with Don Goetz he does know how to flyt a plane and his high approaches is what will save your life if you have an engine out. His first advice is to fly high, second is to fly the pattern at 1500 ft above ground level, and a steep decent and flair out at the end of the runway. < When flying AOA you use the elevator and trim to control AOA and the throttle to control the rate of descent. Flying a set AOA does not fix the angle of descent. If you want to make a steep approach then pull the throttle to idle but still hold the same AOA. In VFR conditions, I too fly steep approachs. I differ regarding the approach speed only because I have an AOA instrument in my aircraft and can safely shoot the final approach at a slower speed resulting in less float and a shorter roll out. The steep approach technique served me well this spring as I experienced two engine failures in the pattern while flying the same newely AOA equipped Glastar. Both failures resulted in normal landings back at the owners grass strip. Found out later that he had had a failure last fall. AOA also gives you the correct best glide (L/Dmax). Flying a set IAS will not give you the best glide because the best L/D IAS changes with the GW of the aircraft and bank angle. One of our Lancair 360 aero guys calculated that a straight glide flown at the best L/D AOA vs. Best L/D IAS results in .6 miles more glide from 7,000'. I'll be hosting an Oshkosh forum on AOA July 29 at 2:30. There is no doubt that Don is the experienced expert on handling Lancair engine outs with 15 at last count. Don will be honored and roasted at the Oshkosh Lancair and builders forum that we have been hosting. We will be presenting him with the Brass Ball Award. This should be fun. Plan to attend July 30 at 5:30 pm in one of the forum tents. Perhaps we can get him to speak on this subject. Other speakers will also be talking on topics of general interest. If you would like to participate as a speaker or have a short "Don Roast" contact Fred Morino, Dick Studer or myself. Jim Frantz Lancair Network News Jim@angleofattack.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML homepage: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html