Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:51:03 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta13.adelphia.net ([68.168.78.44] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 588861 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 08:56:57 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.168.78.44; envelope-from=glcasey@adelphia.net Received: from worldwinds ([70.32.213.236]) by mta13.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20050102135628.WUQK5807.mta13.adelphia.net@worldwinds> for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 08:56:28 -0500 From: "Gary Casey" X-Original-To: "lancair list" Subject: Re: Pressure and atomization X-Original-Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 05:43:47 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Brent did an excellent clarification: <> Exactly. But the high pressure used by automotive systems improves atomization by the shear produced from the higher velocity of the fuel being discharged. An example is diesel systems that are going to higher and higher pressures to improve atomization (now approaching 40,000 psi). Our air-bleed injectors have a fuel orifice that is coaxial with a larger downstream orifice with atmospheric air bled in between. The reason for doing this is primarily to make the metering system work as injecting fuel directly into the intake port would create a variable pressure across the nozzle that isn't detected by the metering system. A byproduct of doing it this way is excellent atomization at lower throttle openings. Unfortunately, this doesn't help during starting or a WOT, the conditions about which airplane drivers are most concerned. <> Correct, but probably not practical. As Brent says, the vaporization of fuel, if it could be done by pulling all the heat from the air, produces a net increase in density. In other words, while the fuel in vapor form takes up volume (about 2% at lean mixtures) the evaporation lowers the air temperature by about 70F for a net 11% increase in the mass of oxygen in a given air volume. But to get the fuel to evaporate only during the time after it is inducted and before the intake valve closes is not realistic. In theory then you would like to inject well-atomized fuel as far upstream as possible and then insulate the mixture from the engine for maximum charge density. A good carburetor system with excellent atomization and fuel distribution and no air flow restriction will produce more power than most fuel injection systems for this reason. With a downdraft cylinder head like used by the IO-550 the injectors could be moved upstream with good results if the fuel could be atomized by the injector. Without good atomization the fuel will simply run down the runner until it evaporates, not a good thing. Cold starting should actually be improved as the fuel would be deposited on the manifold surface, giving it a chance to evaporate before running out the port drain. I would encourage someone to take this approach and report the results - the increase in power could be as much as 5% and likely about 3%. The option taken by our systems is to inject fuel onto hot surface for later vaporization. I think if you could look inside the intake port the fuel is mostly deposited directly on the cylinder head surface to be evaporated during the dwell time between intake strokes. In this case most of the heat of vaporization comes from the cylinder head, not from the air. In the past I've done lots of studies that show that this is the dominant evaporation process for injected fuel. The Lycoming design is better and is similar to most automotive engines in that the fuel is aimed at the back side of the intake valve, using that as the heat source to vaporize the fuel. No, the idea was NOT to squirt the fuel into the open intake valve as that fuel has very little time to vaporized before the ignition event. <> All production automotive systems of which I am aware take pains to inject fuel when the intake valve is closed, specifically to improve vaporization and reduce emissions. Injecting the fuel just after the valve closes produces the best emission results (most homogenous charge) while injecting later produces better throttle response. At full throttle, maximum speed, most injection systems are set up to have the injector on about 80% of the time, which means it will be injecting most of its fuel when the intake valve is closed. It has been shown many times that when injecting the fuel on to a closed intake valve improving atomization shows no power increase or emissions reduction. What does all this mean to us? As Brent says, not much, although air pressure for atomization were increased as much as possible there might be a slight improvement. Would I want to use shrouded injectors on my NA (by the way, "NA" stands for Naturally Aspirated, not Normally Aspirated) engine? From the posts I am reading I think it will be worth the trouble, but not so much from the improved atomization as from the improved fuel distribution since all injectors will have the same reference pressure. Correct? Gary Casey