Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 09:42:56 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta10.adelphia.net ([68.168.78.202] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b5) with ESMTP id 144099 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 09:27:47 -0400 Received: from worldwinds ([68.66.218.156]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with SMTP id <20040608132718.UBYJ8065.mta10.adelphia.net@worldwinds> for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:27:18 -0400 From: "Gary Casey" X-Original-To: "lancair list" Subject: Re: Safety X-Original-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:25:03 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal <> I certainly agree with most of Ed's points. However, statements like "is not going to break" are hard to accept. Anything can fail. Just because a design has been around a while and generally successful doesn't mean it is perfect and can't be improved. And just because it isn't perfect doesn't mean it is "faulty." It does behoove us to consider any failure mode and the ramifications of that failure mode. If the failure mode induces other failures then the severity of that failure mode is higher than if it doesn't. The rudder control/brake system/nose wheel steering is an example. Our planes, of course, don't have nose wheel steering and we have accepted that, although the lack of it creates potential problems, notably the severity of a brake failure. The plane can probably be landed without rudder control, as the brakes will steer it on the ground. It can also be successfully landed without one brake, at least to limit the result to an low-speed crash. However, if the rudder control failure makes the brakes unusable and there is no nose wheel steering to back it up, then a single failure could lead to an unpleasant outcome and the idea that the brake system is a backup for the rudder control is faulty. However, I agree that adding complexity to solve one problem can create others. The goal is to solve single-point failure modes WITHOUT adding more systems. I'm not convinced that "just sticking to the plans" will automatically result in an aircraft that is the best that can be made. The real trick, as Ed implied, is to know when to change and when not to change. Gary Casey