In a message dated 2/3/2004 3:31:11 PM Central Standard Time, Epijk@aol.com
writes:
HOWEVER,
it gives me the willies to consider a solid-crank IO-320 driving a CS-prop
which had 7 inches chopped off the blades.
Jack,
That is the Hartzell design. It's a 84xx-14 --- 84 inch prop less 14
inches. It is just that they don't need all the excess metal when they
carve it.
<<<a) The IO-320 crankshaft does not have the torsional-absorbing
counterweights which the higher-powered 360's have, and in certitfied form, most
likely has a yellow band on the tach defining an RPM range best avoided due to
harmful interwactions between the engine excitation and one or more natural
frequencies of the prop blades;>>>>>
There are no restrictions on the "carved prop". Note, however, that I
use a Harmonic Damper (or dampener, if you wish). Plus, my most recent
engine reincarnation has a heavier crank/flange. I find the smoothest
operation above 2600 rpm, acceptable in the 2300-2550 rpm, and ugly in the below
2200 rpm range. Those poor pistons.....
<<<c) The lopping of your blades changed one or more of the
blade natural frequencies (most likely causing them to increase), but the
magnitude of the change is unknown without a survey. The resulting change could
easily cause a serious interaction between a blade frequency and the
second-order excitataion of your 4-cylinder engine, which could be stressing
your blades to a level they cannot sustain;>>>
Yep. My concern too. Hartzell speaks through lawyers, so.... so
far, nothing useful from them. The prop shop wasn't too concerned, but I
am after 150 hours of high speed operation with that nick on one blade about 4
inches from the end.
<<<d) Metal props on direct-drive piston engines pose a daunting
set of vibration problems, the solutions to which are non-trivial, but which
include blade profiles, mass distributions, root thicknesses, and a host of
other factors, in order to avoid the harmful interactions described above.
Consider the fact that a prop which is safe on a particular certified IO-360
(8.7 compression, counterweighted engine) becomes UNSAFE after the STC'd
installation of 10:1 compression pistons (more on that and other prop facts at
>>>>
Thanks, I'll go look.
<<<) If you're determined to keep on flying this prop, you might
consider having Hartzell do a vibration survey on your engine/prop/airframe
combination. It's not cheap, but it sure beats the prospect of trying to land
after the loss of a couple of inches off one blade tip (probably followed soon
thereafter by the entire engine).>>>
Good Idea. But I think I will contact the prop shop to see if we can
make an arrangement about Hartzell carved blades.
Scott Krueger
AKA Grayhawk
Sky2high@aol.com
II-P N92EX IO320 Aurora, IL
(KARR)
"...as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know
we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are
some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we
don't know we don't know." D. Rumsfeld