Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:01:29 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from razorbill.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.121.248] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 2929483 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:17:59 -0500 Received: from sdn-ap-001watacop0237.dialsprint.net ([63.187.192.237] helo=f3g6s4) by razorbill.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AgANi-0007dc-00 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:17:58 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <002501c3d959$ff8f3d40$edc0bb3f@f3g6s4> Reply-To: "Dan Schaefer" From: "Dan Schaefer" X-Original-To: "Lancair list" Subject: Fuel Transfer Pumps X-Original-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:18:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-ELNK-Trace: 3ef0e71ed221da0294f5150ab1c16ac050a736d1df7ddf74edb1ce4f76c19b5cfbef3ad4e462cf15350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Rick Argente asked: <> Rick, if we're talking about the Facet 12 volt units, I've had two failures - one used for wing fuel transfer and one used for the boost (back-up for the engine mounted mechanical) pump. Both failed in about the first 100 hours of operation, though not at the same time. Since that time, I've had no failures in about another 600 hours. I even went so far as to install a second, redundant transfer pump in series with the single unit and of course, haven't had another failure since. In my past life, I was involved with a lot of qualification testing of aircraft system components and we had a term for this kind of random failure. It was called "infant mortality" and referred to such early breakdowns. Generally, if one plots numbers of failures vs time for just about any hardware, it invariably starts high (in about the first 100 hours) and then drops to the inherent failure rate curve. This is not to say that there won't be an occasional random early failure during large scale useage (since the plots only depict averages over time for many units) as there will always be a maverick unit. One way to help get around this (which I didn't do) is to set up a test stand which duplicates the useage environment (on - off cycles and run times) and run it for about 100 hours. Usually, if you have no failures during this time, the device should last for it's predicted service life. Which for the Facet pump, is probably quite long indeed (though I have no hard data to back that up - just a guess). This approach is probably far in excess of what most of us are willing to take on. The alternative is to let the first hours of useage occur in service on the airplane, while keeping a critical eye on such items. If you get past the first 50 - 100 hours you're probably OK for a long time. Sorry for the long-winded reply, but you asked! Dan Schaefer Early LNC2