Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #22168
From: Robert Overmars <robert.overmars@tiscali.it>
Sender: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: weighing Lancair IV wing panel/wing incidence
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:15:27 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Salutti tutti,
 
To anyone interested here's a picture of the weighing of our LIV wing panel. There's a load cell just above the rope sling, total weight registered was 120 lbs, total weight of the wing panel was 118lbs. The flap weight complete with hardware and tracks is 9 1/4 lbs, the aileron (balanced) just under 7lbs. so the weight of the one complete wing minus micro and paint is just under 134 lbs (61 kilos). Micro and paint will add a pound or three but with care it will be minimal. Haven't weighed the second wing panel yet but expect it will be similar, the total wing weight then should be in the vicinity of 270 lbs. (123 kilos) 
 
From Martin Hollman's book Modern Aeroplane Design  Vol 1,  the LIV wing design weight is 310 lbs, (140kilos) so we are well under that weight, just goes to show what you can do when you try.
 
A quick comment on wing incidence:  On my last LIV project....one of those fast build kits, the wing shear box was installed with a twist so that the port wing had 0.3 degrees more AOA than the  stbd. After much discussion with Lancair at the time the decision was made to remove the shear box and reinstall it correctly...and Lancair credited the owner with the cost of the work. It was heavy going with Lancair at first, their comment was along the lines "we have massive jigs and it must be correct"  ...but it wasn't, but to their credit they came to the party. 
 
(On a different, note on the current LIV we have a gearbox problem, it looks like it was assembled with parts from the reject bin. The centre diagonal parts in particular have rolling marks that have heavily indented the metal surface and there are heavy scratches/gouges inside the web...anodised over the top. After sending pictures to Lancair Tech the reply is "the gearbox is fine, they all look like that now" This is the first time in more than ten years of LIV experience that I've seen such a gearbox, if "they all look like that now" I suspect the hired help isn't what it used to be)
 
The LIV wing has a NACA 64212 profile at the tip. From memory the ES has the same profile. The 64212 profile has a high coefficient of lift but a sharp stall meaning that with just half a degree more AOA past the peak, the loss of lift is about 0.1 from a maximum coefficient of about 1.6.  Also the wing design with 2 degrees of washout is such that the wing root will stall first and the stall should progressively move out to the tips with a further increase in AOA.  With the wing panel that has the lesser washout the stall will progress out to the tip faster than on the opposite wing. When the stall has moved outboard to the tip the opposite wing tip is still at or very close to the maximum coefficient of lift, so with one wing stalled and the root of the other wing stalled but still producing max lift at the tip.....think about it. The accident report is likely to read "the aeroplane appeared to carry out an aerobatic manoeuvre".   
 
There's one such LIV accident report from Downunder that reads exactly that. There's no proof one way or the other of what exactly happened in the accident but the more I come to know of the LIV wing the more I suspect that the wing is not tolerant of sloppy inaccurate workmanship. Just for the comparasion I'm curious to know what the wing incidence tolerance is on the big birds...Boeings etc.  Does anyone know?
 
Build 'em straight and light I say...
 
Ciao,
 
Roberto d'Italia.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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