Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 01:13:27 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [32.97.166.31] (HELO prserv.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 2887233 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:07:12 -0500 Received: from b8p5r1 (slip-12-65-204-168.mis.prserv.net[12.65.204.168]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2003121204070120106flu5de>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 04:07:02 +0000 From: "Larry Henney" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: LNC2 high key X-Original-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:06:19 -0600 X-Original-Message-ID: <000001c3c065$4df46cc0$a8cc410c@b8p5r1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Bob, This discussion I hope has been very insightful. I'd offer 3 small caveats. 1st. I've copied the T-34C Dead engine profile with my LNC2 in simulated engine out conditions. It works very well to start at 2500 AGL (High Key) and throw the gear down. I fly 100 kts to final and modulate in the flaps as necessary to bleed the altitude and finally bleed speed on short final. Yes you can use AOA instead of IAS but using proper bank angle will require no particularly accelerated flight. IAS works fine. The entire circling turn to final is 15-20 deg AOB. It is tempting to increase the bank during the 1st 90 deg of turn. This invariable results in being high and fast on final. I use about 1200-1400 ft AGL for the Low Key. At 90 to go I'd like to be 600 ft AGL. Remember that the whole thing starts and finishes about 1/3 down the runway. So that turn to final will probably look higher and tighter than your normal pattern. These are really great fun to practice after defining your "simulated" dead engine flight condition. 2nd. People are speaking of this as a terribly fearful thing. Perhaps in the Air Force it is. However, as a Naval Aviator it was commonplace to practice HAPL's and LAPL's (Hi and Lo altitude Power loss) and they were not to be feared. I understand the wacky performance (falling like a brick or a turd off a tall moose) of some of the birds that are being spoken of. Additionally, I'm sure I would've been partial to the ejection handle myself had I ever faced the situation. Not trying to throw a big flamer here. Just pointing out that in A/C of Lancair non ejection seat performance it is an excellent tool. Flamesuit donned nonetheless. 3rd. The entire circle Hi/Lo Key is a very draggy evolution. It is flown with the gear down in the T-34C with flaps being added as more drag is required. This is exactly how I practice in my 360. The point of this permits entry at any spot on the circle. For instance, if one finds himself with 180 deg to an upwind landing runway and Higher than Low Key altitude, add all the drag and stuff the nose, shallow the turn a bit and intercept a proper 90 deg to landing target point. Another situation would be arriving lower than your target altitude when located at Hi Key on the circle. This pucker factor is easily corrected by holding off on lowering the gear. Finally, the comments regarding a "break" have no place in this disucussion. The break is a rip roaring good time used when motors are working and expeditious (sometimes impressive) pattern entry and landing is desired. The turn off High Key is quite the opposite. That is, shallow bank angle and too high to be noticed. Finally, remember to play the game you hope to play. That is, is your constant speed prop course or fine pitch during the engine out event? You can define dead engine parameters during both situations realizing the dramatic difference in oil loss to the prop verse prop still turning enough with oil pressure to get the blue knob out and help you reduce your drag. Larry Henney 450 hr N360LH