Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:58:15 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta8.adelphia.net ([68.168.78.196] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP id 2710765 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 08:49:45 -0500 Received: from worldwinds ([68.169.129.19]) by mta8.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20031105134944.SNZW13560.mta8.adelphia.net@worldwinds> for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:49:44 -0500 From: "Gary Casey" X-Original-To: "lancair list" Subject: engine heaters X-Original-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 05:49:43 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 <> I'll add my opinion here. Yes, running the oil hot enough to drive out most of the water helps, but remember that the crankcase is full of blow-by and blow-by is essentially exhaust gas, containing maybe 10% water vapor. So there is no way to "drive out" all the water vapor in the crankcase. Short of pumping dry air into the crankcase (nitrogen would be better!) after shutting the engine off it must be assumed that the engine will start corroding as soon as it is shut off. Corrosion goes faster at higher temperatures similar to all chemical reactions so the best way to slow the corrosion rate is to keep it cold. Also, as was pointed out on this list, most heaters only heat part of the engine, evaporating water from that area which then condenses in other areas, creating a higher local water concentration and speeding up the corrosion process. My solution was to only heat the engine just before flight. To do that for little money I bought a kerosene "Salamander" heater and added some rigid ducting to the outlet that aimed at one of the cooling outlets - no need to pump air in both. For safety I used about 5 feet of ducting to isolate the aircraft from the flame and I started the heater before bringing it close to the plane. I have seen some people go to the trouble of pumping air in the inlets, but that is a waste of time - the engine heats just as well with air going in the bottom. By the time I loaded and preflighted the airplane (except for draining fuel!) the cylinders were warm to the touch and ready to go. Another comment - I don't see any rational reason why starting a cold engine causes "excess" wear. Oil will flow even when cold, except progressively less so. With the weak battery and starters in aircraft if the starter will turn the engine it will usually start and run. As it gets colder priming is more of a problem and done wrong the excess fuel will wash the oil off the cylinders, not a good thing. If there is a wear problem starting engines cold that is it and I think that is the main reason rental outfits will require preheat when cold. I found that with 20W-50 oil the engine would start reliably down to 20 F and Below that priming difficulties and no cranking speed made heating necessary. With that criteria all engines I ran went over TBO. 3 data points. Gary Casey Always ran Lycoming engines