Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 07:29:20 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.99] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP id 2710089 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:19:41 -0500 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_dev1.2.) id q.144.1bc03027 (30950) for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:19:38 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <144.1bc03027.2cd9c64a@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:19:38 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: paint colors X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1068002378" X-Mailer: Thailand for Windows sub 170 -------------------------------1068002378 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/2003 8:27:42 PM Central Standard Time, marv@lancaironline.net writes: For the same reason that white protects your glass airplane better (reflectivity vs. absorbsion) it makes your airplane much easier to see from any distance -- thus, maybe reducing midair collision potential. Red turns to black at any distance and is much harder to see. Bill, Two points: 1. Maybe white is better than other colors. I have tried to meet up with like Lancairs, Cozys, Glassairs. etc. I don't care what color they were, whether or not they had strobes flashing, how loud they screamed over the radio or whatever - we have never seen each other at a closing rate of over 350 Kts until a few seconds before the pass. A join up always requires the "joined with" guy to be at a slightly higher altitude (out of the clutter) and to bank his wings for a larger silhouetted target. Unless this is done, visual pickup is seldom possible at distances greater than 3/4 mile. We can see the flying slugs, they cannot see our wee lawn darts. 2. In my early search for paint and being very safety concious I looked at neons - just like the ski jackets I used to wear. The neon (coal tar) colors are actually greater at reflection (non-absorption?) than anything as exhibited by their excet\ptional brightness in lowlight gray misty stiuations. An added benefit would be a cooler airplane. At a long ago Sun'n'Fun, I went over to a LoPresti mumble mumble that was painted a neon lime (Ugly!), at high noon, even. I couldn't believe how cool it was to the touch. Anyway, these paints fade in the sun and are very hard to get consistent color over a large surface. Another good idea scrapped. Scott Krueger Sky2high@aol.com II-P N92EX IO320 Aurora, IL (KARR) -------------------------------1068002378 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 11/4/2003 8:27:42 PM Central Standard Time, marv@lan= caironline.net writes:

For the same reason that white protects your g= lass airplane better
(reflectivity vs. absorbsion) it makes your airplan= e much easier to see from
any distance -- thus, maybe reducing midair co= llision potential. Red turns to
black at any distance and is much harder= to see.

Bill,

Two points:

1. Maybe white is better than other colors. I have tried to= meet up with like Lancairs, Cozys, Glassairs. etc. I don't care= what color they were, whether or not they had strobes flashing, how loud th= ey screamed over the radio or whatever - we have never seen each other=20= at a closing rate of over 350 Kts until a few seconds before the pass. = A join up always requires the "joined with" guy to be at a slight= ly higher altitude (out of the clutter) and to bank his wings for a lar= ger silhouetted target. Unless this is done, visual pickup=20= is seldom possible at distances greater than 3/4 mile. We can see= the flying slugs, they cannot see our wee lawn darts.

2. In my early search for paint and being very safety concious I looked= at neons - just like the ski jackets I used to wear. The neon (coal t= ar) colors are actually greater at reflection (non-absorption?) than an= ything as exhibited by their excet\ptional brightness in lowlight gray&= nbsp;misty stiuations. An added benefit would be a cooler airplane.&nb= sp; At a long ago Sun'n'Fun, I went over to a LoPresti mumble mumble that wa= s painted a neon lime (Ugly!), at high noon, even. I couldn't bel= ieve how cool it was to the touch. Anyway, these paints fade in the su= n and are very hard to get consistent color over a large surface. Anot= her good idea scrapped.

Scott Krueger
Sky2high@aol.com
II-P N92EX IO320 Aurora, IL (KARR)

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