Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:44:25 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from spam08.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.208] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.5) with ESMTP-TLS id 2634122 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:27:08 -0400 Received: from fisher3p813qd9 (c68.116.153.45.ts46v-12.otn-e2.ftwrth.tx.charter.com [68.116.153.45]) by spam08.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with SMTP id h9CL6rh3052163 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:06:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerryfisher@charter.net) From: "Jerry Fisher" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: Blue Mountain Avionics X-Original-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:03:15 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal I understand Brent Regan's comments, and why he believes in them. I would also agree that, if money is no object, the Chelton system is probably the best around for our aircraft. However that is not the real world for most people, including me. For a 360, the Chelton system is way over my budget. After I had looked at the options, I elected to buy the Blue Mountain system for a number of reasons. I went to their facility and spent the best part of a day with Malcolm Thompson reviewing what they have done. Their equipment appears well designed and constructed (and I work for a military avionics company). It has been flying in a wide variety of aircraft without any major failures coming to light. Since I believe that their production rate may be comparable to Chelton's, this is not an insignificant factor. Their system is solid state and offers a number of key safety features, including forward projection of topographical elevation data, automatic warning of engine parameters exceeding limits, and automatic radio frequency selection (with the right radio). These reduce cockpit workload and help avoid CFIT. I agree though that the question of their system's reliability needs to be answered. I was also influenced by Kirk Hammersmith's original written recommendation, and by speaking to him subsequently. Lest we forget, his original statement included the following: "Chief Pilot Peter Stiles and Greg Richter took off in the company IV to put the EFIS/One through the paces. After they returned, Peter walked into my office to report the test flight. "I couldn't fail the system," Peter tells me. I questioned him further about the test and couldn't believe my ears. The Blue Mountain EFIS/One performed flawlessly. Additional testing and refinements to the Blue Mountain system will be done between now and Sun N Fun. The BMA group dove in head first, identified problems, and demonstrated incredible support in resolving those issues. Based on the testing standards we put these guys through, the accuracy of their system and their level of support, we will be offering the BMA EFIS/One to our customers." Kirk, I am not sure why you now believe that, "If ANYONE flying a Lancair which includes the BMA or any other EFIS has any IFR experience to share, I think it would be a valuable contribution to this list." We know that the system will work in IMC, your own earlier statement shows that; the key issue is whether it is going to be reliable in long term service compared to the alternatives. My alternative to the Blue Mountain system was not Chelton's very expensive and capable unit, it was conventional instruments. Frankly I would rather put my trust in the BMA system than a vacuum driven AI, which has known errors and a demonstrated low level of reliability. Having said that, I would not want to fly any EFIS system in IMC without a back up, and that includes Chelton's. I am fitting a conventional standby set of instruments, including ASI, altimeter, compass and an electrical AI driven by an alternative electrical source. Any good pilot's instrument scan should include regular cross checks against an alternative attitude source in hard IMC. As it will be a while before I get an instrument rating again, I will build up experience and confidence in the system over a longish period in VMC first. By the way if you train for IMC on the Pathway-in-the-Sky symbology, will you not then have difficulty flying any other airplane with conventional instruments in IMC? Jerry Fisher