Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: LML Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:18:15 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.1.43] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.5) with ESMTP id 2630870 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:13:53 -0400 Received: from tednoel (89.199.27.24.cfl.rr.com [24.27.199.89]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.5) with SMTP id h9A1Dn1d011862 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:13:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-Message-ID: <006901c38ecb$dbf04dd0$0100000a@tednoel> From: "Ted Noel" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IFR training in a IV-P? X-Original-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:14:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01C38EAA.54167BD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C38EAA.54167BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK guys, I got my IFR in a C-172. In reviewing the comments, I think = that there is a middle ground. The L-IV is a bit fast for learning. You = need to start slow, and get the fundamentals down. Then, once you have = the procedures learned, you can go faster. To put it all together, I think that you should learn in a slow = airplane. Then re-train in the fast glass. That way, you get the most = possible benefit. You learn at an appropriate pace to your level of = skill. Then you apply it to the plane you will use. Ted Noel ----- Original Message -----=20 From: VTAILJEFF@aol.com=20 To: Lancair Mailing List=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:25 PM Subject: [LML] Re: IFR training in a IV-P? SNIP>>if possible, get the instrument training in the plane that you = are going to fly. it only makes practical sense. I think that if you have a IV-P you should get your rating and=20 experience in the IV-P. It just doesn't make any, non monetary, since=20 to me why, if you fly a IV-P, you would want to get a rating and=20 experience in anything else. I would definitely do the IFR training in the plane you are going to = fly. I=20 don't see the point on saving some money doing it in a spam can, which = behaves=20 nothing like the 4-P (the spammer is much more forgiving as I am sure = that you=20 You need to get used to the speeds and power settings of the plane you = are flying.>> SNIP I had to roll up my pants legs after reading the latest posts. C'mon = guys -- are you speaking from experience or just bullshittin' the crowd? = How many of you got an instrument rating in anything bigger or faster = than a C172 (military crowd excepted)? How many of you have actually = taught instruments lately? Will the real CFI(I)'s please stand up? = Learning to fly instruments is challenging enough for anyone. It = probably the most difficult rating to get. In my limited experience as a = Designated Pilot Examiner-- it is also the one with the highest failure = rate. Learning to fly instruments is not going to be facilitated by = doing the training in a LIVP. Could you do it? Probably-- but it ain't = going to be pretty. Jeff Edwards CFI(I) DPE MEI ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C38EAA.54167BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK guys, I got my IFR in a C-172. In reviewing the comments, I = think that=20 there is a middle ground. The L-IV is a bit fast for learning. You need = to start=20 slow, and get the fundamentals down. Then, once you have the procedures = learned,=20 you can go faster.
 
To put it all together, I think that you should learn in a slow = airplane.=20 Then re-train in the fast glass. That way, you get the most possible = benefit.=20 You learn at an appropriate pace to your level of skill. Then you apply = it to=20 the plane you will use.
 
Ted Noel
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From:=20 VTAILJEFF@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, = 2003 9:25=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: IFR training = in a=20 IV-P?

SNIP>>if possible, get the instrument training in the plane = that=20 you are going to fly.  it only makes practical sense.
 
I think that if you have a IV-P you should get your rating and=20
experience in the IV-P. It just doesn't make any, non monetary, = since=20
to me why, if you fly a IV-P, you would want to get a rating and=20
experience in anything else.
 
 
I  would definitely do the IFR training in the plane you are = going=20 to fly.  I
don't see the point on saving some money doing it = in a=20 spam can, which behaves
nothing like the 4-P (the spammer is much = more=20 forgiving as I am sure that you


You need to get used to = the speeds=20 and power settings of the plane you
are flying.>> = SNIP

I had to roll up my pants legs after reading the latest posts. = C'mon guys=20 -- are you speaking from experience or just bullshittin' the = crowd? How=20 many of you got an instrument rating in anything bigger or faster than = a C172=20 (military crowd excepted)? How many of you have actually taught=20 instruments lately? Will the real CFI(I)'s please stand up? = Learning to=20 fly instruments is challenging enough for anyone. It probably the most = difficult rating to get. In my limited experience as a Designated = Pilot=20 Examiner-- it is also the one with the highest failure rate. Learning = to fly=20 instruments is not going to be facilitated by doing the training in a = LIVP.=20 Could you do it? Probably-- but it ain't going to be pretty.
 
Jeff Edwards
CFI(I)
DPE
MEI
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