Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 21:38:43 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [64.8.50.175] (HELO mta1.adelphia.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 2053598 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:13:42 -0500 Received: from worldwinds ([207.175.254.66]) by mta1.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030315151734.YOMI25645.mta1.adelphia.net@worldwinds> for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:17:34 -0500 From: "Gary Casey" X-Original-To: "lancair list" Subject: over square X-Original-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 07:10:07 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 <> <> I certainly can't call myself an expert, but I believe that the octane requirement curve peaks at about peak EGT to 50 ROP. The octane requirement also goes down as the rpm goes up and goes up as the manifold pressure and inlet temperature goes up. And, of course, is higher with higher compression and increasing spark advance. With all these variables there is probably no simple answer and the problem is that you may or may not hear the detonation that will kill the engine. As long as the octane requirement is less than the octane rating of the fuel you have a detonation margin. The trick is to run at the minimum detonation margin, which gives the best power and lowest fuel burn; a little like trying to walk as close to the cliff as possible blindfolded. So how do you decide how close to walk? You could always take off the blindfold by using something like the PRISM system. Or use the experience of others to be the guide. It's just a guess, but I would think that operating 50-100 LOP would give about the same detonation margin as running 100-150 ROP. Max power is about 150 ROP and max fuel economy is at about 50 LOP. Carefully match the air/fuel ratio of the cylinders by trial-and-error or by using GAMI injectors and you should be in good shape. It's not my engine, though. Still didn't answer the original question, did I? Gary Casey