Return-Path: Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.66]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52269U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:50:38 -0500 Received: from Fredmoreno@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QBWa001433 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:35:29 -0500 (EST) From: Fredmoreno@aol.com Message-ID: <1f54d40f.36c1fba1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:35:29 EST To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Subject: Thoughts on wrapping exhaust manifolds X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I read the recent exchanges on wrapping exhaust manifolds, and can offer the following (worth 2 cents): 1) At the temperatures the pipes run at (red hot) the major portion of heat loss from the surface is through radiation to the cooler surroundings, not through air cooling. (Radiant heat loss goes as the fourth power of the surface absolute temperature, meaning not much loss at room temperature, but huge loss at high temperatures, witness light bulb filaments). I would expect that the exhaust pipe temperature is probably a hundred or more degrees F cooler than the average exhaust gas temperature within. The gas heats the pipe, and the pipe radiates to the outside world. So the pipe must be cooler than the gas. 2) Wrapping the pipe will substantially reduce the radiant heat loss from the pipe surface, and so the pipe wall will be hotter than unwrapped (no science needed here), and will come closer to the average gas temperature within the pipe. 3) Here is the tricky part: When measuring high gas temperatures with thermocouples, it is very easy to get significant installation effects that affect the readings, sometimes substantially. It is VERY DIFFICULT to get a true, accurate temperature reading that is within better than 20F-100F at these temperatures. Turns out we don't care. We look at comparisons and trends. Imagine you are an ant (roasted) on the end of the thermocouple where the junction is reading temperature, and look at the surrounding world. The temperature is the result of a dynamic heat flow balance: heat in from the gas flow (which is pulsing up and down every engine rev with difficult to predict effects on heating rates around the thermocouple) while the thermocouple loses heat out by conduction down its length to the cooler outside world and the thermocouple is radiating to relatively cooler exhaust pipe walls (assuming they are unwrapped). To the ant, the outside world looks cooler, and heat is lost from the junction. When heat gain and loss are equal, you get a steady temperature reading, but lower than the gas temperature. Both losses, conduction and radiation, lead to junction temperature (and thus readings) lower than if the pipe and junction were perfectly insulated. In other words, you are always reading a temperature below the exhaust gas temperature. The conduction error depends on the length of the thermocouple (penetration into exhaust pipe) so shorter penetration would read lower temperature than a longer penetration. 4) So now you wrap the exhaust pipe. The pipe wall temperature rises, so the radiation loss from the thermocouple to the wall lessens, so the thermocouple reads a higher temperature even though the gas temperature is the same. (Also the gas temperature will be very slightly higher due to less wall cooling, although at a short distance from the cylinder head, the cooling effect is negligible.) Thus the thermocouple temperature rises and you see it in the cockpit. Gas temperature has not changed at all. 5) Most aviation installations are very similar: same penetration depth into exhaust pipe, same distance downstream from head, and the materials of construction are all very similar. So it it's no surprise that they all read about the same at the engine same operating conditions. The errors are all about the same. As a result, "rules of thumb" evolve about what constitutes "good" or "bad" temperatures based on field experience. What really counts is the trend in temperature or the comparison of one operating condition to the other. You are not getting real absolute accuracy with these installations. 6) Wrapping the exhaust pipe will not affect the mixture ratio (lean or rich), and will have little effect on gas temperature, especially near the heads. There is a lot of energy in the exhaust gas, and little surface area in the exhaust manifold to get it out. Go downstream 5 feet and maybe you will measure a modest temperature drop. Not in 2 inches from the heads. 7) Here's the key consideration in my mind: exhaust tube life. Most exhaust systems are made of 321 stainless steel. If you look at the oxidation rates and strength versus temperature for all high temperature alloys in the range of 1200F-1500F, you find that their strength is dropping rapidly with temperature, and oxidation rates are going up. The slope of the curves are quite steep in this temperature regime. Thus a 50-100F increase in pipe temperature could have a significant decrease in lifetime (failure due to thinning or cracking). Going to Inconel tubes gets you a couple of hundred degrees of reserve and extends strength and lifetime significantly, but cost is high. Summary: my guess is that wrapping exhaust pipes is probably OK, if you are willing to remove the wrapping periodically (every 200-300 hours, maybe more often) for a close inspection for cracks and scaled areas where oxidation is eating your wall thickness. I would like to hear from anyone that has 1000 hours on wrapped exhaust pipes. I doubt they will last that long, but I could be wrong. If they do last, then go ahead: reduce the heat load on everything else under the engine. You would not want to be near that glowing mass of tubing, and neither does the local hardware, especially if the hardware is made with epoxy. Forewarned is forearmed. Fred Moreno