Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:38:04 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [65.66.11.38] (HELO qbert.gami.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.5) with ESMTP id 2003573 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:29:03 -0500 Received: by QBERT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:34:57 -0600 X-Original-Message-ID: <52548863F8A5D411B530005004759A93391B72@QBERT> From: George Braly X-Original-To: 'Lancair Mailing List' Subject: RE: [LML] Re: diesels X-Original-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:34:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ah.... there is a lot here. >>Heat rejection is far more of a function of specific fuel consumption, EGT, and the exhaust placement vs. the cooling flow than any comparison of engine type.<< That is sort of correct. How about a function of the BSFC(min) - - rather than the selected BSFC. >> I can definitely assure you that a TIO-540U2A at 263 HP rejects far more heat and requires far more cooling than a modern 300 HP compression ignition engine at the same power simply because of the difference between a .59 SFC and the C-I's .36. For given amount of output HP, the lower the SFC the lower the rejected heat.<< The problem with that statement is that a TIO-540 has a BSFC min of around 0.415, NOT .59. Thus, the difference is not anywhere near what you postulate. Further, the are turbocharged 300 Hp aircraft S-I engines that operate with BSFC(min) down at 0.38 with fixed timing magnetos and they will do better with variable timing. At this point, there is really not enough SFC difference between them to make a heat exchange issue about. The lower crankshaft torsional loading of the S-I engine compared to the C-I engine is much more of an issue. >>Since C-I requires high compression ratios to work, this leads to higher expansion ratios and lower EGT's. Lower EGT also leads to lower cooling requirements so the nod goes away from the S-I engine in that area.<< Higher CR does lead to lower EGTs... but it leads to HIGHER peak cylinder pressures which leads to much higher BTU transfer to the cylinder heads. Lower EGTs are not correlated with lower CHT cooling requirements. It can be much higher. For example, if you advance the spark advance, you get much cooler EGTs. But hotter CHTs. >>However, modern S-I engines are so much more efficient than our current Lycoming and Continental offerings that the cooling load would likely be less for a properly designed aircraft C-I engine with an SFC of .36 or less.<< I don't think that statement stands up to close inspection of the data. I know of no modern S-I car engine that has a BSFC as low as 0.385 which is typical of a 300 HP IO-550. The fabled Porsche Mooney engine struggled to get a BSFC(min) of 0.425. >>... and the GA aircraft industry is rife with bad system design.<< Yes it is. Regards, George