Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #16780
From: Scott Turner <atphiltec@mindspring.com>
Sender: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: IV-P Cabin Air System Dukes Valve with An All Electric Panel
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:31:22 -0500
To: <lml>
After going over LML Posts, talking to Pat Patrick at Dukes and applying all this knowledge gathered, I feel quite certain the following will get the Dukes valve to operate as designed.
 
The solution is to simply use the engine manifold vacuum, tapped off of the manifold pressure line to the manifold pressure gauge.  Put a check valve in after the tap off to prevent a positive pressure form being applied to the Dukes valve.  Run the vacuum line directly to the Dukes valve.  I am planning on using a check valve from McMasters - $2.90.
 
It was concluded that the engine will provide sufficient vacuum until the throttle is pushed in for take off.  The check valve will hold the vacuum and Dukes valve open until the valve control system takes over.
 
The logistics of several approaches were gone over with Pat Patrick. He acknowledged the findings and  confirms that the manifold system should work well.  Pat also acknowledged the problem with the Venturi concept is that air has to be streaming into the cabin before the Venturi draws a vacuum on the Dukes valve.  By that time, a pressure will build up in the cabin and the occupants will feel a pressure surge.  Alternatives were discussed, such as, using the door seal pump and a separate pump.  All the other approaches appear to require more complex or involved procedures to get them to work properly.
 
One further advantage to the manifold vacuum approach is that all the parts should be inexpensive stock items.
 
If anyone is interested, I will submit what should be a short bill of materials and a simple diagram of my final system after getting it installed.  Be aware, though, it will be awhile before this approach is put to the acid test.
 
Thanks for your help.
 
Scott Turner
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