Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net> (Marvin Kaye)
To: lml
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 04:38:06 -0500
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From: "IIP" <IIP@hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: IV-P T fuel capacities
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Re: 1) Fuel Capacity in the wings is 57 per side (114 total) and a belly
tank is available for an additional 28 for a total of 142 gal.   The
belly tank conforms well to the design of the plane and is hard to
notice unless you have a non-turbine to compare it with so drag may well
be minimal.  I am told a belly tank of 40 gal is in the works.
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We just completed our IV-P Turbine right next to the factory, with their
help. Although we haven=92t measured it scientifically, we were told the
belly tank added about 12 gallons, all of which should be viewed as
unusable under normal circumstances. We have heard nothing and seen
nothing there on a 28 or 40 gallon belly tank (most recent visit 2 weeks
ago, going again in 2 weeks). Personally, I can=92t imagine a 40 gallon
belly, and even a 28 (more than twice the size of ours) would present
some pretty severe design and flight problems (from what I=92ve seen).
There is not much space between the nose well and the main wells, and
not all of it is usable to hang a tank from. The basic footprint is
going to have to be much the same as ours, unless they are going to
redesign the airplane. That means the extra capacity is all going to be
vertical. If our tank adds 4=94 to the belly, a 28 gal tank is going to
add 10=94, and a 40 gal tank is going to add about 3 feet, at which =
point
it would contact the ground. Perhaps a couple of belly wheels?
=20
Our total fuel capacity is expected to be about 122 gallons.
=20
There just isn=92t anyplace to permanently add any real fuel to the IV.
Our solution is going to be to have an aux. tank that fits neatly into
the back seat area with the upholstery removed. We should be able to
carry about 60 gallons there, and installed aux. tank hose fittings into
the wings for it (hidden under the upholstery). A couple of braided
hoses will make the connections. We have cargo tie down points hidden
under the seats to hold the tank in. Aside from this being a much bigger
tank than one could possibly build into the belly, it will be 100%
usable, increasing our range by perhaps 2 hours.
=20
Brian Barbata
N104PT

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Re: <em><i><font face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-family:Arial'>1)
Fuel Capacity in the wings is 57 per side (114 <span =
class=3DGramE>total</span>)
and a belly tank is available for an additional 28 for a total of 142
gal.&nbsp;&nbsp; The belly tank conforms well to the design of the plane =
and is
hard to notice unless you have a non-turbine to compare it with so drag =
may
well be minimal.&nbsp; I am told a belly tank of 40 gal is in the =
works.</span></font></i></em><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>We just completed our IV-P Turbine right next to the
factory, with their help. Although we haven&#8217;t measured it =
scientifically,
we were told the belly tank added about 12 gallons, all of which should =
be
viewed as unusable under normal circumstances. We have heard nothing and =
seen
nothing there on a 28 or 40 gallon belly tank (most recent visit 2 weeks =
ago,
going again in 2 weeks). Personally, I can&#8217;t imagine a 40 gallon =
belly,
and even a 28 (more than twice the size of ours) would present some =
pretty
severe design and flight problems (from what I&#8217;ve seen). There is =
not
much space between the <span class=3DGramE>nose</span> well and the main =
wells,
and not all of it is usable to hang a tank from. The basic footprint is =
going
to have to be much the same as ours, unless they are going to redesign =
the
airplane. That means the extra capacity is all going to be vertical. If =
our
tank adds 4&#8221; to the belly, a 28 gal tank is going to add =
10&#8221;, and a
40 gal tank is going to add about 3 feet, at which point it would =
contact the
ground. <span class=3DGramE>Perhaps a couple of belly =
wheels?</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Our total fuel capacity is expected to be about 122 =
gallons.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>There just isn&#8217;t anyplace to permanently add =
any real
fuel to the IV. Our solution is going to be to have an aux. tank that =
fits
neatly into the back seat area with the upholstery removed. We should be =
able
to carry about 60 gallons there, and installed aux. tank hose fittings =
into the
wings for it (hidden under the upholstery). A couple of braided hoses =
will make
the connections. We have cargo tie down points hidden under the seats to =
hold
the tank in. Aside from this being a much bigger tank than one could =
possibly
build into the belly, it will be 100% usable, increasing our range by =
perhaps 2
hours.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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font-family:Arial'>Brian Barbata<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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