Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:23:35 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [216.40.198.12] (HELO cobalt.rackshack.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0) with ESMTP id 1841502 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:19:09 -0400 Received: from fscnb (user223.sarofim.com [208.255.59.223]) by cobalt.rackshack.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g9LIvmx28591 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:57:48 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Don Parsons" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: RE: [LML] Post curing wet layups X-Original-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:20:52 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Dan, There are several variables involved that effect the answer to your question. I will gear most of my answer toward Jeffco 1307-LV resin with either Jeffco 3102 or 3156 hardener combinations to lock down some of the variables. The data sheet from Jeffco for those product combinations specify a cure schedule of "Gel at ambient + 2 hours at 212 degrees F, or 7 days at 77 degrees F". You can use temperature/time combinations in between. As temperature is adjusted down, time should be adjusted up correspondingly. Some important points to keep in mind... - It is possible to post cure too hot. However, as long as you are within an acceptable temperature range, you don't hurt anything by going longer than needed. - Bring the heat up and back down slowly. - Heat the part evenly. - As the temperature you use increases, the importance of providing support for the part also increases to make sure it does not loose shape as it reaches higher temperatures. Given this point, it may be better to shoot for temperatures in the 120 to 150 degree F range than the higher possible temperatures. Higher temperatures will likely need some sort of active heating source, and it may be difficult to have consistent temperatures over larger parts. - DO NOT POST CURE your aircraft composite parts IN DIRECT SUN LIGHT! You can put parts inside an enclosure that are heated by the sun though. Just make sure UV light is not shining on the part. Your garage attic is a potentially good "post cure enclosure". Sun heated enclosures naturally heat and cool slowly. - When determining the temperature you will use, make sure that it is not too hot for the core material in the part. With the Nomex core we are using, this is not a problem. However, if you are using a foam core, this will likely substantially lower the possible maximum temperature. Given some of the points above, using a heat gun would not be a good solution for a couple of reasons. First, you likely won't be holding it in position long enough to make much of a difference. Second, it would be difficult to keep from over heating the part. Third, it would also be difficult to maintain temperature consistency over the part. The resin/hardener combination is a very important variable. The times & temperatures can drastically change if either are changed. So... if you are using some other resin/hardener combo, the principles of what I included above still apply, but the 2 hr @ 212 or 7 days @ 77 are no longer valid. Don Parsons Super ES Houston, TX