Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:09:56 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from floridax.unisonindustries.com ([12.8.134.34] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0b8) with SMTP id 1792589 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:58:15 -0400 Received: by FLORIDAX with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:55:58 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <9BD7A141D8F9D311A0A200A0C96015B66DE6C8@rockford1.ae.ge.com> From: Harry Fenton - Rockford X-Original-To: "'lml@lancaironline.net'" Subject: magnetos and turbocharged engines X-Original-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:55:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've been following the threads regarding the discussion of high altitude magneto misfire and I thought that I would share some thoughts with the group. I wrote an article on pressurized magnetos that is relevant to this discussion. The link to this article can be found at: http://www.amtonline.com/searchscripts/search.asp?SearchSiteURL=\articles\20 00\amt_07-00\amt_7-00-03.html In a nutshell, electrons will always follow the path of least resistance. When an engine is turbocharged, the voltage required to jump the spark plug gap increases. If the magneto is unpressurized, the voltage generated by the magneto may follow other easier paths of discharge within the magneto and an arc may not occur at the spark plug gap to ignite the fuel air mixture. Subsequently, the engine misses and runs rough. In this regard, Bendix and Slick magnetos are subject to the same laws of physics and will function similarly. The primary reason that engines are turbocharged is to improve performance at altitude where there are fewer air molecules to mix with the fuel charge to provide a combustible mixture of the proper chemically balanced ratio. So, at high altitudes, the turbocharger provides an artificial environment of increased air density like the lower altitudes where the engine runs more efficiently. The problem is, with some turbo applications, the power section of the engine is optimized to run at sea level pressures while the magneto ignition system is not. To draw an analogy, it's like a runner with great lungs and a stressed heart running a marathon- obviously the chances for a problem are much greater than if both the runners lungs and heart are working in an equal, balanced state of fitness. The key to optimum performance of any turbocharged application is to pressurize the magnetos. Non-pressurized magnetos are often used with no service issues, but occasional performance problems are more likely to occur due to the lack of pressurization. Once again, the demand voltage at the spark plug gap and internal condition of the magneto will affect ignition system operation. Too wide of a plug gap increases voltage demand, worn or out of spec internal components may reduce magneto output, internal contaminants can result in arc paths, and so on. Pressurized magnetos definitely enhance high altitude performance, but the pressurized magneto system can also present other problems if it is not designed properly. The key to success is a large, relatively slow moving, regulated air mass that is free of oil or moisture contaminants. The pressurized magnetos and ignition harnesses also feature special seals and vents to ensure proper operation, so just blowing air through a standard magneto will provide inadequate results. The bottom line is that any ignition system used on a turbocharged application will require more care and more frequent maintenance than a normally aspirated application. As a point of interest, it should be noted that nearly all of the time to climb and altitude records established by Bruce Bohannon in the Exxon Fly'n' Tiger have been accomplished on non-pressurized magnetos! Bruce has been to almost 40,000 feet with a turbo'd engine, and routinely cruises at 12-16,000 feet with standard, off the shelf Slick 6300 series magnetos. We decided to pressurize the magnetos for the Oshkosh '02 attempt, but Bruce set up the turbo and magneto bleed air system wrong which foiled the attempt. We fixed that and now Bruce reports that the engine runs better than ever at some very, very high altitudes. Watch for some exciting news during the AOPA Convention at Palm Springs in October. Speaking of which, I will be exhibiting at AOPA, so if you are attending, feel free to visit with me at the Unison exhibit. I'm a homebuilder and engine builder, so always glad to talk about these topics. Otherwise, feel free to e-mail me at pistonhelp@unisonindustries.com. Harry Fenton Senior Field Service Engineer Unison Industries, Piston Products