Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:14:20 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [65.66.11.38] (HELO qbert.gami.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0b6) with ESMTP id 1701697 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:09:25 -0400 Received: by QBERT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:09:44 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <52548863F8A5D411B530005004759A931C2CA6@QBERT> From: George Braly X-Original-To: "'lml@lancaironline.net'" Subject: RE: [LML] PRISM vs FADEC X-Original-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:09:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Gary, Excellent message. >>Why do it? The question is probably why do electronics at all, not why do pulsed injectors. And I think the only reason is to remove the engine management workload from the pilot - this includes cold start, hot start, hot fuel handling and other peripheral advantages.<< >However, it [PRISM] can't fix most of the other fuel system weaknesses mentioned above.<< Well... like I said, PRISM has the hooks so it *can* make it start better by managing fuel flow and it can make it start better on hot starts [well... maybe.. I'm not convinced that even FADEC does that ] - - but if all that is stuff that the pilot has to do only once each flight and then while on the ground, and not in a critical phase of flight - - then the reasons for automating that process - - become rather less compelling, don't they? Consider this - - have you *seen* the FADEC manual ? Have you read it? Have you tried to learn the failure modes and indications thereof? If not, then you are in for a bit of a surprise. I was "impressed". My impression is that it will take the average pilot many times longer to read and understand how to deal with the FADEC fuel system failure modes than it will take him to brush up on existing cold starts, hot starts, etc. Flat statement here: I have been flying high powered injected piston engines for 36 years. In the deep south and in the cold north part of the country and in Canada in winter. I have never yet failed to get one started promptly - - hot or cold, so long as somebody had not left the master switch on and run down the battery. So what is the big deal that justifies 10 lbs of wire and multiple 50 pin connectors just to attempt to automate something that is done ONCE on each flight - - on the ground in a low workload environment ? Again... is it really worth the failure modes that are interjected into the system? You obviously have a lot of experience in this area - - and understand the issues - - so help me understand this? Regards, George