Return-Path: Received: from marvkaye.olsusa.com (line50.olsusa.com [205.245.9.204]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52269U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:48:18 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981229184934.02d5a70c@olsusa.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:49:34 -0500 To: lancair.list@olsusa.com From: Marvin Kaye Subject: Re: Flaperons and things In-Reply-To: <19981228084441.10296.qmail@www04.netaddress.usa.net> X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Posted for Scott Dahlgren : Dan wrote: >>> "It seems that if reflexing the flaps lets us go so much faster and reduces the stress on part of the wing at the same time, reflexing the whole wing could only help." <<< On lift: some very high wing loaded aircraft are built with "drooping ailerons" which allows both ailerons to droop down a few degrees (normally independent of flap position) once the flaps are deployed past a certain value. this gains you a little bit of additional lift (around 5% max for the 320 under ideal conditions). Since the tips are open on one side, they produce very little lift in comparison to the main wing anyway (elliptical lift). another way to look at a wing is that the aspect ratio decreases as you move outboard. The tips would need very high angles of attack (or flap deflection) to generate any lift at all. This makes for very dangerous and tricky flight due to the potential for tip stall. on reflex: most aircraft wings (including the Lancair's) have twist in the wings to reflex the tips and keep the tips from stalling, so the tips are typically unloaded in flight. one reason reflexing the flaps can help is because it makes the flapped segment of the wing more closely match the tips effective angle of attack and even out the lift (make it more elliptical). Reflex also allows you to tailor your airfoils camber into the drag bucket of the laminar airfoil, which is unique to individual flight reimes. Reflexing does reduce the pitching moment of the airfoil, and subsequently the load on the tail and induced drag which can be a significant portion of the total drag of the wings. The modified NLF airfoil used by the LIV does have a high pitching moment, but the modified nasa6300 series on (my old) 320 has a low pitching moment for a laminar flow airfoil. I heard something (rumor?) once about Lancair putting the NLF airfoil on the 320/360 and was curious to hear if the newer models were using it? One thing to keep in mind when the flaps are Reflexed, is that the tips are more prone to stall on landing which can be fatal. positive flap deflection helps prevent this. Let's invent like Thomas Edison who said:" I never invented anything, I just improved on what was already known". Scott