Return-Path: Received: from mail.calweb.com ([208.131.56.12]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52269U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:08:08 -0500 Received: by mail.calweb.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA10503 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:09:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36861554.B1F13B@regandesigns.com> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:09:08 +0000 From: Brent Regan To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Subject: Brake Line Sizing X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Scott writes: << 1/8" tubing has an ID of .065", so particulate could be a problem (though I really don't know....). my vote would be 3/16" which has an ID of .132" and would also be more damage tolerant. a thought, since you will need to go flex at the point where you connect to the brake reservoirs and brakes anyway, why not just run flex all the way? (you will need 3 lines and 4 connections for your design per brake) I ran 666-3 all the way. very easy and reasonable. you can see a picture of my brakes lines at: >> The reason to use the smallest diameter brake line and to use hard line is to reduce the system springiness (increase spring rate). You want the highest spring rate (stiffest) brakes so that you have fine control of the brakes and a firm pedal. Springiness comes mostly from four sources; Flexure of the linkage, caliper and seals, compressibility of air trapped in the system, compressibility of the fluid used and expansion of the tubing used due to system pressure. While there isn't much that can be done about the first item, we can work on the last three. Getting all the air out of the brake system is the most effective way of optimizing brake performance. Fresh brake oil from a sealed container should be degassed at low pressure for several hours before use and then slowly introduced to the system to reduce foaming. Compressibility of the fluid is reduced by reducing the fluid volume between the master cylinder piston and the caliper and the best way to do this is by making the line size as small as possible. Anything with a bore greater than 0.030" is overkill. If you have foreign objects larger than 30 microns in your brake system, you need to overhaul it. As it works out a small bore line is stiffer, for a given wall thickness, than a larger line. This is because the hoop stress in the line equals the pressure times the radius of the bore divided by the wall thickness or P*R/T. This stress divided by the lines material modulus and multiplied by the bore gives the strain. Steel has the highest modulus at about 30 million PSI, aluminum has about 10 million PSI and plastics have a modulus of a few hundred thousand PSI. To summarize, to build the stiffest brake system you should degas the fluid, bleed all the air out of the system and use small diameter steel tubing. Also, never reuse brake oil. Once it has been in the system, throw it away (properly). Wishing you prosperity in the New Year. Brent Regan www.regandesigns.com