Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:19:21 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0b2) with ESMTP id 1470254 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:28:30 -0400 Received: from hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.227.35]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:22:46 -0400 Received: from brian ([24.161.136.173]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.517.51); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:28:28 -1000 Reply-To: From: "IIP" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mail List" Subject: stalls X-Original-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:29:03 -1000 Organization: Inter Island Petroleum X-Original-Message-ID: <004301c216b2$f7bacf00$8201a8c0@hawaii.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Original-Return-Path: IIP@hawaii.rr.com Very interesting responses. Some experienced pilots seem to agree you can avoid stall/spins by the numbers, as I'm suggesting. Others seem to have the attitude that you have to know how to recover the airplane from a stall/spin because you can't predict it. Either you can or you can't. I still believe you can know enough about the stall regime of your airplane to avoid that unwanted condition, and that good pilots can fly within non-stall limits. I plan to fly conservatively and stay well away from stall conditions. If sage advice is that this cannot be done, I will give up flying. It is pretty obvious that airplanes don't stall/spin just flying along. It takes a maneuver to initiate that. My advice: maneuver carefully and well within your proven numbers. I still maintain that stall/spin training is unnecessary and dangerous. Brian Barbata > I have this weird, conservative, view toward stalls: Tell me what my > stall speed is in a 30 degree bank and I'll avoid that speed like the > plague in a turn and never exceed 30 degrees. If I'm not in a turn, I > will know that stall speed and be above it. Other than that, I don't > need to know or practice anything. WRONG. You guys know that I'm not one to criticize other's opinions just because they don't agree with mine, but this one is a dangerous misconception. Just plain incorrect. I won't start teaching the ground school here but I'd surely advise IIP to get some training and learn that holding a particular airspeed...ANY airspeed... is not and can not be stall protection. Bill harrelson@erols.com N5ZQ LNC2 O-320 VA42 Like some of you, I've stalled at TAS's above 400 kts.