Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 03:23:13 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.164] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0b2) with ESMTP id 1293819 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:09:41 -0400 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id q.12d.12b1dfc9 (4332) for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:09:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <12d.12b1dfc9.2a3bedd3@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:09:39 EDT Subject: Stalls, Spins and other Whirlygigs X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Fellow aviators, pundits, test pilots, etc. To me, you are all correct, if not right too. Each person must evaluate their approach to life's risks from their own base of life's experiences. Myself, I'm just an observer and correlator of seemingly unconnected, irrelevant and often useless information. I have made enough errors in flying to know the temptations of the bad angel have led to great saves by the good angel. Some would say the good angel is fortified by "luck", others might say the path to a successful outcome is short circuited by having prepared oneself for the peculiar interferences in the smooth flow of life by the bad angel. For example, if I am faced with a home intruder threatening the life of my family, would I shoot to kill? After much thought and consideration, the answer was yes. Thus, should the situation arise, I don't have to work thru the moral, legal, etc, thoughts, I can act. Another example is that on turning base to final and finding myself sufficiently off the centerline, I will go around to outfox the bad angel on advice of the good one instead of tightening the turn. Another, when descending to land and hearing the tic-tic of prop tips, pull the power and complete the landing, only the money devil is the winner. Notice that none of these actions require live practice. In the old days, when people actually practiced stalls and spins and were dying doing so, planes were different. Generally, cruise speeds and approach to land speeds were close together and flyers had trouble recognizing the subtle difference between slow and too slow. Furthermore, these planes were underpowered. The stalls that killed were (and still are) those done close to the ground - either on takeoff or during landing maneuvers (unless you were practicing stalls in a Tomahawk). Today, the planes we fly are high performance - a tradeoff we make instead of the stability and stall resistant characteristics of those more recently designed under the rules of part XXIII (whatever!). Generally, our planes have the power to pull out of the pre-stall buffet - learn to recognize it. Slicker than snot, they can accelerate incredibly in a dive. Made by type-A individuals, they all differ, wing extentions, outboard fuel bays unequally feeding the engine and stressing spars, accessories and occupants that stretch the CG envelope (you do practice your departure stalls fully loaded with fuel, passengers and baggage, don't you?), etc. Maybe tis better practice slow speed flight (to see how uncomfortable it is) so that your next trip to OSH will turn out better than the Glasair that fell out of the sky S-turning on final. Better yet, take advantage of "modern" instrumentation, such as AOA, and fly comfortably close to the edge of the envelope without slipping out of it. Get a feel for slow flight, don't stall because it is usually too late. BTW, ATP's out there - a question. Do you practice stalls in an airliner? I know, I know, the passengers just don't like it. Just my opinion, fly whatever way makes you safe. Scott Krueger LNC2 - N92EX