Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.6) with ESMTP id 1124663 for rob@logan.com; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:59:34 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.1.39]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:29:30 -0500 Received: from Charlie (24.26.60.90.portorange-ubr-a.cfl.rr.com [24.26.60.90]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g21FWDYs020823 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:32:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001801c1c135$b357fcc0$0200a8c0@Charlie> From: "Charles Kohler" To: Subject: Connectors--Bad Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:28:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Hello Everyone, For some time now I have been receiving the Lancair List, but this is my first post to it. I have found the list to be both educational as well as comical at times. Never a dull moment. I am replying because of Brent's comments and views of soldered wires vs. crimped wires. My views are somewhat different based on experience I have gathered over the past seven years. To date, I have been involved with approximately 16 Lancair aircraft. They range from the 320 to the IV-P. I have built and installed instrument panels, installed and trouble shot instrument panels built by others, rebuilt instrument panels built by others, fabricated complete wire harness assemblies, installed electronic engine controls on standard aircraft engines as well as liquid cooled V8 engines, developed power distribution switching networks for multi bus electrical systems, and performed various electrical and avionics upgrades to completed aircraft. Many of the electrical problems or glitches I have encountered have been directly related to soldered wires, or improperly soldered wires. Common places seem to be at small switches and solder-cup connectors. Small switches come with elongated holes in their tabs. The purpose of these holes is to insert wires prior to soldering so a good contact can be established between the wire and the switch tab. What I have found in the field is that a good portion of switch wiring glitches are caused by wires that are not inserted in the tab holes, and where minimal solder is used to attach these wires. Small, dense solder-cup connectors normally have their cups very close together. This makes it difficult to get to each individual cup in the connector. What I have found here are solder joints containing minimal solder thus creating loose wires in the cups. Another common area I have run into problems is in line wire splices. Roughly 99% of all glitches I have encountered with in line splices has been from incorrect splicing of the wire before soldering and incorrect soldering of the wire itself. In all these instances the wires were not twisted before soldering. What I find disturbing about this is that these problems were created by individual builders and professional avionics shops. Soldering is as much an art as it is a science. Very few individuals can go out to the local Radio Shack, pick up some soldering gear and start soldering. There are numerous items that need to be considered. What kind of soldering is to be done? Do you need to use Rosin Core, Silver, or Acid Core Solder? What size soldering gun do you need? How many Watts? What size tip? What kind of solder removal tools will be required? What kind of solder joint cleaner do you need? Once all this has been determined, now soldering can begin. However, before you begin to solder, the wires have to be properly attached to each other. The correct amount of solder required for the splice needs to be determined. The correct solder / flux combination for the wires needs to be determined, etc......... I prefer crimp connectors over soldering. The key to crimp type connectors is to purchase those that are of very good quality and to purchase the crimp tools that have been manufactured for them. One of the down sides to this is the expense of some types of crimp tools. The Mil Spec tools I use range in price from $125 to $1,000 each. Some of these tools will only crimp one type of connector pin and or socket. All of the bulkhead style connectors I use in my IV-P wire harness assemblies are those that are used in commercial aircraft. They are environmentally sealed, rated for pressure and are equipped with gold plated contacts and sockets, so they tend to be more expensive. As Brent mentioned, AMP makes some very good connectors and tooling that is affordable. The PIDG line of ring and faston connectors is of good quality. I use them extensively in all my projects. A PRO Crimper II tool can be purchased for around $125. The connectors and crimper is available through Allied Electronics or Newark Electronics. It will crimp wire from 22 to 10 AWG. I also use the AMP, CPC line of connectors with gold plated pins and sockets. I believe that the cost of the PRO Crimper II tool is comparable to the one for the PIDG series. Another thing that is nice about the PRO Crimper tool that the crimping dies are removable. You can purchase one crimper and a multitude of dies, thus saving on the overall tooling cost. As I see it, the benefits of using crimp type connectors over soldering can be outlined like this; soldering is lighter than most connectors. Soldering take up less space than most connectors. Soldering is not cheaper than connectors because of the extra cost to find the bad solder joints and fix them. Soldering is definitely not as reliable as crimp connectors because of the possibility of incorrect soldering techniques. I have installed thousands of PIDG faston connectors and can't recall any failure under normal operating conditions. If soldering is the preferred method chosen for attachment of wires to equipment over crimp type connectors, make sure that the proper equipment and techniques are initiated prior to soldering. Happy Building Bryant Cervens Panel Specialties, Inc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>