Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.6) with ESMTP id 1110890 for rob@logan.com; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:20:06 -0500 Received: from siaag1ab.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.4]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:16:44 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag1ab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id MAA09834 for lancair.list@olsusa.com; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:18:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:17:32 -0500 From: James Frantz Subject: approach speeds Sender: James Frantz To: "INTERNET:lancair.list@olsusa.com" Message-ID: <200202201217_MC3-F2BF-BFC6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Any advice on mimimum mountain emergency approach landing speeds for a LNC2?< We need to understand that the airplane = sees only dynamic pressure (IAS) and = aerodynamically it would not know if it = was in the mountains or at sea level. = In other words, the proper approach IAS = at sea level would be the same at high = density altitudes for a given GW, CG and = turbulence condition. The TAS during = approach will of course be much higher = at high density altitudes requiring a = longer rollout. Thus the desire to lower the approach IAS. = The second important thing to = realize is that the Lancair = is not a Champ. A 1.2 Vs short field = approach in a Champ will not = be safe in a Lancair. This is another topic. = Knowing that the aircraft's stalling = speed varies with GW, CG and bank = angle, the approach speed is = based on the higher of what = feels comfortable and provides adequate = margin above the stalling speed. But, = WHAT IS THE STALLING SPEED? The difference between a short field approach = and a normal approach is nil in a Lancair. = The major difference is the approach = flight path angle. Certainly the AOA = should be the same. = In effect, all approaches in a Lancair = are short field approaches. As you know, I use AOA to gauge and = maintain a fixed margin above the stalling = speed for all approaches. Only the flight = path angle varies (throttle) depending = upon field length and approach = obstructions. All approaches are stable below 300 feet AGL (no turns or big = changes in descent rates or IAS/AOA). = For my particular aircraft, 8.5 degrees = AOA during approach works = well and usually results in an IAS of about = 79 to 85 knots. This approach AOA provides a fixed 6.5 degrees AOA margin above the critical angle. These numbers will not be the same for your aircraft. = For my Lancair 360 this 8.5 degree AOA for = all approaches provides enough energy to = stop the descent in the flare without excessive = float down the runway with the engine at idle = regardless of GW or CG. Every custom built Lancair will be slightly = different and airspeed errors will vary. In = addition, each pilot will have to establish = their own comfort level. Finding a good approach IAS is = like asking what IAS the aircraft stalls at. It depends upon GW, CG, bank angle and = other factors and must not be considered a constant --- = Nor does the bottom of the green = and white colored radial on your IAS meter = tell you where the aircraft stalls!!!! Many of our fellow Lancair pilots that perished = in fatal accidents briefly forgot about the = limitations to flying IAS, nor were they protected with an AOA (stall) warning. Tip - For aerodynamics think AOA. For speed think GPS. For FARs think IAS. Jim Frantz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>